^It's certainly the case that autism is diagnosed in almost ten times as many male cases as female, but it's not clear if that's a failure of the diagnostic technique, or a result of more boys being autistic than girls due to biological differences, or something else. In any event it's also true that to the extent that autistic women face challenges that are different from those experienced by autistic men, they're underserved simply as a result of being in the minority.
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But sure, take the hysterical sarcasm route instead of actually engaging or just letting the conversation continue, it’s really convincing.
Honestly, if I can maintain a nihilistic mindset in the face of this sort of thing, it's all fairly hilarious, and otherwise, it's soul-crushingly depressing. Given that those are my two options I'll stick with the nihilism and its resulting sarcasm. I wasn't labouring under the misapprehension that I was going to convince you of anything.
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I think ignoring the power dynamic misses what makes racism harmful.
The consequence of racism against white people is near zero. If that changes we can then start to put energy into fighting it. It’s not that it isn’t racist without a power dynamic it’s that the racism doesn’t cause harm. This is besides that fact that it’s unliking that the Times editor actually hates white people.
So... You're autistic living in a society that is designed based entirely on the expectation that you won't be autistic in order to navigate it without significant difficulty on a daily basis - the kind of difficulty that people who don't share your life experiences can't possibly understand - and the conclusion you've reached is that being white and male has advantaged you?
I don't deny the existence of white or male privilege by the way, but your statement here is super interesting.
I reached the conclusion because my quality of life has been improved by the diagnosis and due to the previous mentions I see that as an advantage given by my gender and ethnicity.
Not saying it's a great or total advantage, just how I gained some incite.
Honestly, if I can maintain a nihilistic mindset in the face of this sort of thing, it's all fairly hilarious, and otherwise, it's soul-crushingly depressing. Given that those are my two options I'll stick with the nihilism and its resulting sarcasm. I wasn't labouring under the misapprehension that I was going to convince you of anything.
I mean, unless you’re committed to dramatic it’s really neither of those things. But funny, for sure, to see you become the embodiment of the exact thing you’ve railed against for years on here.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. Welcome to the club, Corsi!
I reached the conclusion because my quality of life has been improved by the diagnosis and due to the previous mentions I see that as an advantage given by my gender and ethnicity.
Not saying it's a great or total advantage, just how I gained some incite.
Yeah, I'm just surprised that that was the source of the insight. If you had no suspicions that you might be autistic until an adult diagnosis, the reaction would seem to be, "Oh, so that's why all of those interactions and concepts that seemed to come fairly naturally to others have always been such a struggle for me to grapple with. It turns out the world was set up by and for people whose brains work differently from mine to suit their intuitions and natural thought processes, without even noticing (much less caring) how those norms might make daily life more difficult for someone like me." Which is a completely understandable impetus for also suddenly understanding how, for example and by the same token, a society that was effectively designed by men would have some legacy characteristics that favour men even after decades of ameliorative reforms designed to promote women's rights. You just seem to have come to it from an angle I wouldn't have expected.
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I mean, unless you’re committed to dramatic it’s really neither of those things. But funny, for sure, to see you become the embodiment of the exact thing you’ve railed against for years on here.
I'm pretty sure I've never railed against nihilism or sarcasm, at least not directly. But... thanks I guess?
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The first instance of the holocost wasn’t racism. It was religious persecution though if you think the Jews are a race rather than a religion then they would be distinct from the white race that was opressing them and therefore racism against Jews rather than racism against whites.
From your article
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The South African government, and other analysts, as well as Afrikaner rights group Afriforum maintain that farm attacks are part of a broader crime problem in South Africa, and do not have a racial motivation.[
Now assuming that the government is wrong and this is racially motivated doesn’t it prove the point that you need the ability to project power for racism to be a concern.
Though I am unsure what the above has to do with the topic at hand. What argument are you trying to advocate That White minorities in areas where whites aren’t the predominant holders of power can experience racism against them and that racism could cause them harm?? Sure I could probably agree with that. I don’t see what it has to do with the topic at hand though.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone characterize the freakin' holocaust as an instance of anti-white racism before. That's hilarious. I have this image in my head of some dude sitting across a table from those polo-wearing pricks in Charlottesville explaining to them how they've missed the boat with all the "Jews will not replace us" chanting because those Jews are actually white people.
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I wonder if the Germans and Japanese had won the war what would they have done to each other? They would have bumped into each other where? Kazakhstan?
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I wonder if the Germans and Japanese had won the war what would they have done to each other? They would have bumped into each other where? Kazakhstan?
We already know the answer to that.
Totally alternate-universe-historically accurate.
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Neither of these things makes a point against what GGG posted.
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The consequence of racism against white people is near zero
Yes millions dead (not just jews) because of not being part of the "master race" In this case it was and example of racism including white racism with dire consequences
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The first instance of the holocost wasn’t racism. It was religious persecution though if you think the Jews are a race rather than a religion then they would be distinct from the white race that was opressing them and therefore racism against Jews rather than racism against whites.
The Nazi had the concept of the master race. Those who were deemed not part of that race were killed. They killed more than just Jews and of course race wasn't the only excuse either. But to suggest "The consequence of racism against white people is near zero" is pure lunacy and not factual one bit you look at human history.
Yes millions dead (not just jews) because of not being part of the "master race" In this case it was white on white racism with dire consequences
you would probably benefit about reading some stuff about the holocaust.
...literally anything, really
EDIT: or racism, based on your position I actually have no idea which subject you have a fundamental misunderstanding of, so you could just cover both bases.
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The Nazi had the concept of the master race. Those who were deemed not part of that race were killed. They killed more than just Jews and of course race wasn't the only excuse either. But to suggest "The consequence of racism against white people is near zero" is pure lunacy and not factual one bit you look at human history.
Sure if you want to define racism that way (I think you have applied the term incorrectly and there is irony that you need to point to a white majority opressing a white minority to identify the harm of racism against whites.) I will rephrase my claim
Today, in North America, the consequence of racism against white people is near zero.
Discriminatory legal and institutional policies had been stricken down in Canada by the late 60s. When I was a student in the 70s and 80s, we were being taught to treat people as individuals and see past race and gender.
Something we can finally agree on!
Hopefully you agree that N. American society is not living up to these ideals.
And who is primarily NOT living up to these ideals? Unfortunately race still matters when dealing with the police and with other citizens - in stores, on the streets, in parks, etc. Witness hated directed at Muslims and blacks by people they encounter. It's in the news literally every single day.
You keep suggesting liberals are somehow responsible for exasperating these problems, yet it's not liberals you see making these attacks.
Is there an issue with far left liberals? Sure. Their intolerance is troubling.
But the attitudes of some, primarily white conservatives, who we see embarrassing themselves on our televisions everyday, is a far more serious problem with more negative impact on our society.
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North American society is not living up to these ideals? You should leave north america and see what happens. It was mentioned above that China is super racist.
I'm treated better as a minority in Canada then as a minority in my native Malaysia! That's why my parents left Malaysia!
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North American society is not living up to these ideals? You should leave north america and see what happens. It was mentioned above that China is super racist.
I'm treated better as a minority in Canada then as a minority in my native Malaysia! That's why my parents left Malaysia!
Well, in that case we can all stop trying to improve the society we live in since it's worse in other parts of the world.
I suppose we can close this thread now.
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Well, in that case we can all stop trying to improve the society we live in since it's worse in other parts of the world.
I suppose we can close this thread now.
We can improve it of course, but let's not pretend it's the worst thing in the world. It's like the standard has been placed too high, the more we do the more it's not enough. Calgary welcomes everyone, there are a tonne of services and agencies for newcomers and minorities. White Calgarians must register millions of hours of volunteer work in this area. Yet here we are having a white privilege discussion.
We need to look at all the good things we are doing. Take immigration for instance. Japan takes no refugees. None. But we make excuses, well Japan is a homogeneous society, refugees wouldn't really fit in there, they are already overpopulated etc.. Nobody calls Japan racist. Why don't we hold their feet to the fire.
Europe and North America takes in hundreds of thousands of refugees and it's not enough, we are still leaving some behind and getting bashed for a racist policy. There either is an immigration policy or there isn't.
I find this troubling.
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