[Signing] Flames sign Hathaway (1 yr, $850k, 1 way). 2nd Buyout window opens Aug 2

[lazypucker]

I said that on the other thread, the Flames need to buyout Brouwer right now. Spending another 4.5 mil on him this season is stupid especially we need cap space for Hanifin.

1.5 mil cap hit for 4 years is not bad compared to 2 more years at 4.5 or 4.5 + 1.5 x 2 if he is bought out next year.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

1.5 mil cap hit for 4 years is not bad compared to 2 more years at 4.5 or 4.5 + 1.5 x 2 if he is bought out next year.

His cap hit this year only matters if it's inhibiting the Flames somehow. Which is very possibly, but not a certainty.

If the Flames were happy to sign Hanifin at a ~4M contract, there's not really much reason to buyout Brouwer this year as they'd be under the cap with some breathing room. In that regard it makes more sense to buyout Brouwer next season (or potentially not at all depending on again, if his contract is inhibiting them) so you don't have any dead cap 3 years from now.

Of course, if the Flames were trying to sign Hanifin at around ~4.5M but couldn't because Brouwer's cap hit, then it only makes sense to buy him out now.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This house that Brouwer moved out of, is it the one he just built?

Or maybe the one he was building is finally done and he's moving into it.

My house took darn near a year to build and likely isn't the size that Brouwer probably had done.

I think the house he moved out of might belong to the Flames or something because other players have lived there in the past. But they moved out after they were traded or didn't re-sign in Calgary (or from what my friend said)

I thought the buyout thing too when I saw the house empty - but my friend said he could've just moved into the house he had built.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think the Flames owners like buyouts or burying contracts in the AHL. If Treliving does either, he will be judged harshly if the team doesn't bring in playoff revenue next season.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the owners just outright say no to a buyout.

[Oling_Roachinen]

They did buyout Murphy last season as part of the Lack deal and then buried Prout in the minors as a part of the second Lack trade.

At the same time as Murphy they did buyout Bouma as well. So it's not like it's without precedence.

But yeah, I'm sure there's not really any owners who that like to buyout or bury contracts and Treliving is probably trying to make it work without having to admit to a 9M (at this time) blunder to his bosses.

[Strange Brew]

I’m just not sold on buying out Brouwer. Not loving the idea of being jammed against the cap after our record last season. Tkachuk will need a new deal and we are still spending peanuts on goaltending, relatively speaking. Is this really the year in which to waste future cap space?

[TheIronMaiden]

So what is remaining on the Flames calendar?

Signing Hanifin, Second buyout window aug 2, training camp in the middle of september?

Am I missing anything?

Jeez August is going to be a boring month for hockey.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

So what is remaining on the Flames calendar?

Signing Hanifin, Second buyout window aug 2, training camp in the middle of september?

Am I missing anything?

Jeez August is going to be a boring month for hockey.

As it should be. August is a month for going outside!

[FBI]

Brouwer looked pretty happy in those Calgary flames Facebook golf videos. Wonder if he would be smiling that much if he was told he was being bought out.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by FBI

Brouwer looked pretty happy in those Calgary flames Facebook golf videos. Wonder if he would be smiling that much if he was told he was being bought out.

To be fair, maybe he was smiling because he was having fun working on his new sport?

[The Boy Wonder]

This whole thing is a moot point.

Conspiracy theory:

NHL going to increase cap enough next offseason to allow leafs to sign marner, matthews, etc.

I think theres a 50% chance of this happening, and in that situation the Flames wouldn't really need to worry about Brouwer's cap hit.

Buy him out

[Oling_Roachinen]

Leafs will have approximately 40M to sign Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, a second pairing, a couple depth skaters and a backup goalie- once they place Horton on IR.

Hardly that pressing.

What they need is quality defense, and that's likely not going to happen without moving Nylander.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FBI

Brouwer looked pretty happy in those Calgary flames Facebook golf videos. Wonder if he would be smiling that much if he was told he was being bought out.

He may want to be bought out. He gets a big sum of money up front. He can then go try out for another team and get a new contract and hopefully get a larger role. Right now he might be pretty miserable in Calgary, feeling like he's trapped in a place he can't succeed. He's obviously not going to walk away from 9 million dollars in salary either.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

This whole thing is a moot point.

Conspiracy theory:

NHL going to increase cap enough next offseason to allow leafs to sign marner, matthews, etc.

I think theres a 50% chance of this happening, and in that situation the Flames wouldn't really need to worry about Brouwer's cap hit.

Buy him out

If the Leafs need some help the league will just let them claim Zaitsev has an allergic reaction to blue lines or something, they're not going to blow up the whole cap structure.

[btimbit]

I didn't think the Flames need a guy like Hathaway. Didn't want them to qualify him. But at the cap hit at least it gives him another chance to prove he can be on his game for more than a handful of days a year. If he can't hopefully they aren't scared of losing him on waivers because he really hasn't impressed me.

Hope im wrong though, maybe he realizes this could be his last one way contract unless he consistently plays the way they got him here in the first place. Go kick some ass Hathaway

[GullFoss]

I think Brouwer buyout is done next summer, along with the Stone trade. No need to do it this year.

[Northendzone]

Just as an aside, why would the flames announce this today of all days.

Dumb pr.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Just as an aside, why would the flames announce this today of all days.

Dumb pr.

His arbitration was scheduled for today. Either they signed and announced it, or they go through the arbitration process. Not much could be done.

[lazypucker]

Now is the time to buy Brouwer out. If the cap is staying the same for the next few years, you get cap space right away for Hanifin. If the cap is going up as rumoured, it even makes more sense to buy out now because the spread for more years won't matter because there will be more room anyways.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

If the cap is going up as rumoured, it even makes more sense to buy out now because the spread for more years won't matter because there will be more room anyways.

How can you at all say that the 1.5M in 2021-2022 off-season won't matter?

Imagine Ovechkin, as a UFA coming up that year, decides he wants to test the waters and the Flames can offer him a max of 9.5M because Brouwer's 1.5M cap hit is still on the book. So instead he decides to sign up north for 11M to win the Cup with McDavid.

Congratulations lazypucker, look what you did!

Yes, it makes sense to buyout Brouwer if he will prevent the Flames from signing Hanifin to the contract they want to sign him to today. With 4.5M to sign him, we don't really know if that is 100% the case yet. It also makes sense to buy him out today if they think the team will be better with a different player making the team. It does not make sense to buyout Brouwer for the sake of buying out Brouwer though.