Multiple Victims Shot in Toronto's Greektown

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Sad new this morning. The little girl has died (she was 10 years old) and an 18 year old female has also died. Some of the remaining are in serious condition based on news I've read.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...page-1.4023591

Just horrible.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

WTF GullFoss. I don't even want to quote that pile of garbage.

That's how blind to white privilege people are. They can't recognize obvious satire, when the usual script gets copied verbatim and simply replaces the word "black" or "muslim" with "white". Not used to being the other whatsoever.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Sad new this morning. The little girl has died (she was 10 years old) and an 18 year old female has also died. Some of the remaining are in serious condition based on news I've read.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...page-1.4023591

And for what? Makes no sense.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by icecube

That's how blind to white privilege people are. They can't recognize obvious satire, when the usual script gets copied verbatim and simply replaces the word "black" or "muslim" with "white". Not used to being the other whatsoever.

Meh. To me it's no different than the guy condemning Emery for a previous assault charge in the thread about him drowning. There's a time and place for these things but some people badly misjudge when. This is a thread about the story where innocent people died and do we really need to be educated about how blind white privileged people are?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Meh. To me it's no different than the guy condemning Emery for a previous assault charge in the thread about him drowning. There's a time and place for these things but some people badly misjudge that. This is a thread about the story where innocent people died and do we really need to be educated about how blind white privileged people are?

This is as good a time or place as any when you have people jumping to conclusions based on prejudice and public calls for the return to a racist street carding policy.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by icecube

This is as good a time or place as any when you have people jumping to conclusions based on prejudice and public calls for the return to a racist street carding policy.

And what did we learn about 2 wrongs?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And what did we learn about 2 wrongs?

Maybe there is a tier of wrongs and some people think their wrong is better than other wrongs?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And what did we learn about 2 wrongs?

sat·ire

ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/

noun

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

synonyms:mockery,#ridicule,#derision,#scorn,#caric ature;More

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And what did we learn about 2 wrongs?

Satire isn't a 2nd wrong, it's a tool to illustrate the absurdity of the first wrong.

[Matata]

Street carding is pretty tricky, on the downside it is racist, reinforces negative stereotypes, stresses people already living in difficult situations, etc. But on the other hand, it is effective in reducing crime (at least short term) and cost effective allocation of police resources (ie - the 'hands off' approach in Chicago seems to only be driving the murder rate up and NYC in the 90s had a lot of success in driving down it's crime rate by aggressively targeting young black men.)

Is saving lives and reducing crime worth victimizing an entire demographic? Where do you draw the line? Long term solution would lie in the realm of improving living conditions, but police have to make decisions right now, which forces them into a delicate balancing act between idealism and realism.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by icecube

sat·ire

ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/

noun

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

synonyms:mockery,#ridicule,#derision,#scorn,#caric ature;More

Thank you TextCritic

I don’t know... I don’t really see much in the way of racism mentioned before the Satire post. One asked a question about guns in Toronto, someone mentions gangs (accurate), and then there was a single reference to an old article about police opinion.

So if you thought that it was an appropriate time to introduce “humour” into the first page of a thread in an ongoing news story where the fatality count is climbing, then we just strongly disagree on that.

[icecube]

I've been following the shooting on twitter and the discussion is pretty heavy on the racial speculation. It's part of the conversation, like it or not.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by icecube

I've been following the shooting on twitter and the discussion is pretty heavy on the racial speculation. It's part of the conversation, like it or not.

Okay... that’s why Bingo installed a “quote” option. If it isn’t referenced in the thread, it isn’t part of THIS conversation. I can’t read your mind.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Matata

Street carding is pretty tricky, on the downside it is racist, reinforces negative stereotypes, stresses people already living in difficult situations, etc. But on the other hand, it is effective in reducing crime (at least short term) and cost effective allocation of police resources (ie - the 'hands off' approach in Chicago seems to only be driving the murder rate up and NYC in the 90s had a lot of success in driving down it's crime rate by aggressively targeting young black men.)

Is saving lives and reducing crime worth victimizing an entire demographic? Where do you draw the line? Long term solution would lie in the realm of improving living conditions, but police have to make decisions right now, which forces them into a delicate balancing act between idealism and realism.

would it be different than say check stops for drunk driving?

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

would it be different than say check stops for drunk driving?

Yes. Wildly.

[oldschoolcalgary]

just out of curiosity, what's the current penalty for owning an unregistered/illegal firearm (ie a black market gun) in canada?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

just out of curiosity, what's the current penalty for owning an unregistered/illegal firearm (ie a black market gun) in canada?

Put your wrist out for a good slapping. I think it's a year or less unless it's changed recently.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

just out of curiosity, what's the current penalty for owning an unregistered/illegal firearm (ie a black market gun) in canada?

I think it's 3 years at least and 10 years max. Depends if you've got ammo and other circumstances.

[Erick Estrada]

Just a note I think there's a big difference between the penalties of having possession of unregistered and illegal firearm.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

just out of curiosity, what's the current penalty for owning an unregistered/illegal firearm (ie a black market gun) in canada?

Harper tried to put in a minimum 3 year sentence, but that was struck down:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sup...imes-1.3031847

Also, if you commit an indictable crime while using a firearm (or even imitation firearm) you get an automatic extra 1 year sentence on top of whatever sentence you would have gotten for the other crime.

I had a client who aggressively showed someone a BB gun, and ended up with 1 year plus 1 day. The courts had no power to lift the minimum 1 year.