Multiple Victims Shot in Toronto's Greektown

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Not racist or anything...but it's probably another white guy who was sad he couldnt get laid, get a girlfriend and/or get a good job (even with his amazing education from dog #### university or some equally amazing educational institution). So because the world is so unfair to his race and gender he's finally got his revenge on the Chad's, Stacey's and mohammads or the world.

The police really need to start a stop and frisk / carding program on white dudes and pushing for stricter gun control on these guys too. Or maybe start raiding the basements of white couple's that have grown adult boys still living in their basement. Don't get me wrong...I realize it's not all white guys, but seriously you don't see Chinese and Indian guys going on shooting sprees in this country.

#BadHonkeys

Sounds racist to me

[OMG!WTF!]

It's ok. He has white friends.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gangs. Which are usually the consequence of lots of young men who didn't have dads in their lives.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Bleeding heart judges going far to easy on people caught with illegal guns is a huge problem as well, there's no fear of getting caught.

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Not racist or anything...but it's probably another white guy who was sad he couldnt get laid, get a girlfriend and/or get a good job (even with his amazing education from dog #### university or some equally amazing educational institution). So because the world is so unfair to his race and gender he's finally got his revenge on the Chad's, Stacey's and mohammads or the world.

The police really need to start a stop and frisk / carding program on white dudes and pushing for stricter gun control on these guys too. Or maybe start raiding the basements of white couple's that have grown adult boys still living in their basement. Don't get me wrong...I realize it's not all white guys, but seriously you don't see Chinese and Indian guys going on shooting sprees in this country.

#BadHonkeys

Well this thread is off to a flying start! Anyone else want to get in on this before we have some facts?

[Northendzone]

seems to me that TO is slowly becoming more "americanized".

i guess my question is how long until gun play starts hitting montreal, vanocuver and calgary

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

seems to me that TO is slowly becoming more "americanized".

i guess my question is how long until gun play starts hitting montreal, vanocuver and calgary

Montreal had a full fledged gang war blowing each other up.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GGG

Montreal had a full fledged gang war blowing each other up.

Mafia gonna mafia.
At this point, this appears different

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

seems to me that TO is slowly becoming more "americanized".

i guess my question is how long until gun play starts hitting montreal, vanocuver and calgary

Over two thirds of guns used in crimes in Canada are from the good ol' US of A. Seems to me that this problem could be increasing in Urban areas specifically because of the proliferation of guns more than any "Americanization"

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Over two thirds of guns used in crimes in Canada are from the good ol' US of A. Seems to me that this problem could be increasing in Urban areas specifically because of the proliferation of guns more than any "Americanization"

Not sure what is more American than the proliferation of guns?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

seems to me that TO is slowly becoming more "americanized".

i guess my question is how long until gun play starts hitting montreal, vanocuver and calgary

The use of firearms by criminals isn't, and hasn't been, an exclusively American phenomenon and the rate of violent crime has been on a decline for many years (barring a few anomalous instance). It certainly doesn't equate to an "Americanization" of cities.

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not sure what is more American than the proliferation of guns?

Is there a source for the claim that there is a "proliferation" of firearms in criminal hands in Canada though? Or a huge surge in firearm related violent crime?

[Ozy_Flame]

When is the Western world going to do something significantly different when it comes to early warning with these kind of acts? More often than not it seems that there are warning signs, specifically with the people's social status, thought patterns, and noticeable behavior prior to events such as these.

I believe in full gun control (if not outright bans) but there has to be a larger emphasis on how society can recognize and activate protocols for people who may need help. This is way harder than just controlling guns and training police, this includes as many members of society as possible being trained to notice problematic and/or erratic patterns in other people.

All too often people don't want to get involved or be inconvenienced in things that might disturb the status quo. Canadians need to be more vigilant in stepping in to situations where they can reasonably intervene, and with the right assistance at the right time. Our social structure and institutions need to be prepared to handle this, especially as the technology (e.g. social media) is growing alongside these kinds of incidents.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The use of firearms by criminals isn't, and hasn't been, an exclusively American phenomenon and the rate of violent crime has been on a decline for many years (barring a few anomalous instance). It certainly doesn't equate to an "Americanization" of cities.



Is there a source for the claim that there is a "proliferation" of firearms in criminal hands in Canada though? Or a huge surge in firearm related violent crime?

Referring to Toronto specifically. As a country, I have no clue

If the pace is maintained, it will be the fourth straight year in which Toronto has seen the number of shooting victims increase. In 2015 there were 429 victims; there were 581 in 2016, 594 in 2017 and, so far, there have been 215 this year. The numbers surpass even 2005, Toronto’s notorious “year of the gun,” when 52 people were killed by guns and there were 359 shooting victims.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...f-the-gun.html

[CliffFletcher]

While this incident may not be gang-related, most of the shootings in Toronto in recent years have been. Which is why the federal department tasked with dealing with the issue is focusing on gangs.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Is there a source for the claim that there is a "proliferation" of firearms in criminal hands in Canada though? Or a huge surge in firearm related violent crime?

No idea, and never suggested that.
Plenty of evidence to show a 'proliferation' of guns is uniquely American, which is all I stated.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

When is the Western world going to do something significantly different when it comes to early warning with these kind of acts? More often than not it seems that there are warning signs, specifically with the people's social status, thought patterns, and noticeable behavior prior to events such as these.

I believe in full gun control (if not outright bans) but there has to be a larger emphasis on how society can recognize and activate protocols for people who may need help. This is way harder than just controlling guns and training police, this includes as many members of society as possible being trained to notice problematic and/or erratic patterns in other people.

All too often people don't want to get involved or be inconvenienced in things that might disturb the status quo. Canadians need to be more vigilant in stepping in to situations where they can reasonably intervene, and with the right assistance at the right time. Our social structure and institutions need to be prepared to handle this, especially as the technology (e.g. social media) is growing alongside these kinds of incidents.

I honestly get what your saying and there are aspects that I would agree with, but suddenly having civilians being trained and entrusted would probably make things worse for the police and not better and open up an avenue to societal vigilantism and other issues.


Its along the lines of it suddenly being ok for the intrusion into a person's private life or issues because there's a possibility that he might commit a crime, that's not how the justice system works is it?

[northcrunk]

WTF GullFoss. I don't even want to quote that pile of garbage.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

WTF GullFoss. I don't even want to quote that pile of garbage.

Think satire

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its along the lines of it suddenly being ok for the intrusion into a person's private life or issues because there's a possibility that he might commit a crime, that's not how the justice system works is it?

I think society should be trained to flag people who exhibit signs of mental or emotional distress. This doesn't necessarily mean reporting them to the police, but rather being cognizant of when those signs exist, and have protocols or clear communications on who to contact for additional assistance - whether it be family or health services, emergency, etc.

More often than not those individuals in distress cannot recognize it themselves or don't know how to reach out. Reaching out a hand early in the process can be the difference between saving a life or costing them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I think society should be trained to flag people who exhibit signs of mental or emotional distress. This doesn't necessarily mean reporting them to the police, but rather being cognizant of when those signs exist, and have protocols or clear communications on who to contact for additional assistance - whether it be family or health services, emergency, etc.

More often than not those individuals in distress cannot recognize it themselves or don't know how to reach out. Reaching out a hand early in the process can be the difference between saving a life or costing them.

Perhaps they could wear armbands of some sort? So as to be easily distinguished in public?

[Flamenspiel]

nm

[activeStick]

Sad new this morning. The little girl has died (she was 10 years old) and an 18 year old female has also died. Some of the remaining are in serious condition based on news I've read.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...page-1.4023591