07-13-2018, 12:56 PM
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Franchise Player
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Good for Fleury, seems like a really good guy and great team player.
I wouldn't have minded having him here but we wouldn't be signing him to that big extension anyway. With so many upcoming goalie prospects one of them better work out.
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07-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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#22
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
What in the hell are you talking about?
That's a LIFE-SIZED chocolate statue of a hockey player.
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mmmm chocolate
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07-13-2018, 01:12 PM
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#23
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Locke
Hes their playoff Hero. They're an expansion team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals on their first try!
Yeah, in Vegas hes a huge deal. He is arguably the face of that Franchise and when you're brand new you make deals like these.
Its a good contract. Not just because of what he brings to the Franchise and the expansion, but hes still a really good goalie.
Its a lot for an older player, but I dont bat an eye at this contract. I think its solid for a lot tangible and intangible reasons.
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Plus, he's their franchise leader in pretty much ever goalie stat, a living legend....
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07-13-2018, 01:17 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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The term is what makes this a good contract for Vegas.
And Fleury earned it with a career year, and by doing a great job of being the face of the franchise.
Everybody wins here.
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07-13-2018, 01:33 PM
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#25
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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With this extension, MAF will probably hit 500 wins, maybe 900 games played and already has 3 Cups to his name.
For whatever reason, these stats point to an elite goalie of historical proportion yet I always get the impression people don't value him in the same category as Roy, Brodeur etc. Why is that? Why do I hear people say things like "Ohh, he had Crosby and Malkin"?
I always found that strange.
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07-13-2018, 01:37 PM
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#26
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by curves2000
With this extension, MAF will probably hit 500 wins, maybe 900 games played and already has 3 Cups to his name.
For whatever reason, these stats point to an elite goalie of historical proportion yet I always get the impression people don't value him in the same category as Roy, Brodeur etc. Why is that? Why do I hear people say things like "Ohh, he had Crosby and Malkin"?
I always found that strange.
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Cause he had epic meltdowns multiple times in the playoffs with Pittsburgh.
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07-13-2018, 01:47 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by curves2000
With this extension, MAF will probably hit 500 wins, maybe 900 games played and already has 3 Cups to his name.
For whatever reason, these stats point to an elite goalie of historical proportion yet I always get the impression people don't value him in the same category as Roy, Brodeur etc. Why is that? Why do I hear people say things like "Ohh, he had Crosby and Malkin"?
I always found that strange.
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For me its because he's only been top ten in save % 3 times in his career.
Guys like Lundqvist and Luongo have like 7-8 finishes in the top ten. If those two switched places with Fleury they'd have equal or great team accomplishments IMO.
Fleury has appeared to get better as he has aged. His best ever season was last year, and 3 of his top four seasons have happened in the last 4 years.
He's 34 in the fall though. Might slip during this contract.
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07-13-2018, 03:03 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by rohara66
Cause he had epic meltdowns multiple times in the playoffs with Pittsburgh.
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More recently, he did not. Patrick Roy once let in nine goals against Detroit. #### happens when you play goalie.
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07-13-2018, 03:17 PM
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#29
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by curves2000
With this extension, MAF will probably hit 500 wins, maybe 900 games played and already has 3 Cups to his name.
For whatever reason, these stats point to an elite goalie of historical proportion yet I always get the impression people don't value him in the same category as Roy, Brodeur etc. Why is that? Why do I hear people say things like "Ohh, he had Crosby and Malkin"?
I always found that strange.
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Pittsburgh won more Cups without him as a starter than with him. There was a period of five years when he was an absolute disaster in the playoffs. He had a good last year, but in the Final the ole Fleury started to show up again. He just did not have the kind of consistency that the top goalies usually do have.
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07-13-2018, 03:21 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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I'm a big fan of Fleury and have been since his first WJC. He is a great goalie, but when he has had bad games or just mistakes they tend to have been glaringly bad mistakes, all the way back to his second WJC. Still, on the whole he is a great goalie and an easy guy to cheer for. I think the Pens really missed him this year.
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07-13-2018, 03:31 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
Pittsburgh won more Cups without him as a starter than with him.
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I think you need to give him at least equal on this one.
In 2017, due to injury to Murray, he played in and won more games. Surely was the 'starter' for over half the playoffs. Including shutting out the Capitals in Game 7. It wasn't like his save percentage of 0.924 was at all bad that year, Penguins just went with their goalie-of-the-future in the Finals.
Already top 10 in most playoff wins, likely retires at least top 6. Been to the Stanley Cup finals 5 times.
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07-13-2018, 03:41 PM
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#32
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
I think you need to give him at least equal on this one.
In 2017, due to injury to Murray, he played in and won more games. Surely was the 'starter' for over half the playoffs. Including shutting out the Capitals in Game 7. It wasn't like his save percentage of 0.924 was at all bad that year, Penguins just went with their goalie-of-the-future in the Finals.
Already top 10 in most playoff wins, likely retires at least top 6. Been to the Stanley Cup finals 5 times.
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That's very true, but he still was replaced as soon as Murray was ready, the Pens clearly trusted him more. And Chris Osgood I think went to the finals four times and actually has more wins as a starter, 2-1.
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07-13-2018, 05:30 PM
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#33
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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I dunno, perhaps I am a jaded Flames fan but if MY teams goalie somehow managed 400- 500 wins, 5 Cup Finals, 3 Cups and counting, I would be ecstatic.
You can't win in this league unless you have steller goaltending and MAF has won a ton. If people are being fair than you need to give people the benefit of the doubt and give credit for the good and negatives for the bad. Did he have a few bad playoffs? 100% The team did and so did the coaching and management, hence why they went through coaches and GM's.
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07-14-2018, 12:37 AM
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#34
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Field near Field, AB
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Always thought Fleury was a bubble goalie, except he's won a couple cups, came in to replace Murray and totally impressed me in his stint in Vegas. We'd be so lucky to have a goalie.
Love his approach and attitude.
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07-14-2018, 05:37 AM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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By the end of November, Fleury should be top 10 all time in goalie wins.
I would not be surprised to see him end his career in the top 5.
Not bad with you combine that with 3 cup wins
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07-14-2018, 07:02 AM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by curves2000
I dunno, perhaps I am a jaded Flames fan but if MY teams goalie somehow managed 400- 500 wins, 5 Cup Finals, 3 Cups and counting, I would be ecstatic.
You can't win in this league unless you have steller goaltending and MAF has won a ton. If people are being fair than you need to give people the benefit of the doubt and give credit for the good and negatives for the bad. Did he have a few bad playoffs? 100% The team did and so did the coaching and management, hence why they went through coaches and GM's.
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The thing is the quality of the teams he has been on has been really high. The Pens teams have had Crosby and Malkin and last years Vegas team was one of the best teams in the league.
The same could be said for Brodeur and the Devils although many would argue that he was just as important to that team as Stevens and Niedermayer. Roy carried that 86 and 93 team.
I think Fleury is a great goalie but I think he’s at a tier below Roy and Brodeur. I think he’s in the same tier as guys like Luongo and Kiprusoff and Lundqvist. If any of those guys played for the Pens, they would also have multiple cup rings.
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07-14-2018, 07:30 AM
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#37
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by 868904
The thing is the quality of the teams he has been on has been really high. The Pens teams have had Crosby and Malkin and last years Vegas team was one of the best teams in the league.
The same could be said for Brodeur and the Devils although many would argue that he was just as important to that team as Stevens and Niedermayer...
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And how did the Penguins fare sans Fleury this past season? How far does VGK get without him?
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07-14-2018, 07:33 AM
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#38
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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It takes a whole team. Of course having all star forwards helps. But you also need a goalie who’s going to consistently take you there. Fleury brings that.
But as for being in Brodeurs league.... no.
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07-14-2018, 05:36 PM
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#39
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#1 Goaltender
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I was very disappointed when the Flames didn't sign him last year. He would have solidified the goalie position for several years.
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07-14-2018, 05:42 PM
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#40
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Brick
I was very disappointed when the Flames didn't sign him last year. He would have solidified the goalie position for several years.
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We couldn't just sign him, it would have required a trade.
Vegas got him for a steal because PIT knew it was either trade Fleury for a bargain or be forced to buy out Fleury.
Remember the rumoured ask from PIT for Fleury at the draft previous was our 1st rounder (Tkachuk).
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