And saying he will play unless he fails is not a constructive statement at all. He will play unless he is not good enough? Ok...thanks for clarifying?
Here is my statement.
If he earns it and is good enough, he will make the team and play a contributing role.
You just got upset at a statement and changed it around saying the exact same thing.
This is sports entertainment. Of course the team that just signed him is going to pump his tires in the *press*. And this is a fan forum. I see little point in feeling the need to temper optimism especially when it's just with semantics.
I think it goes without saying he's going to need to earn whatever role he gets.
Also I think part of the reason there's so much optimism on the team's part here is that he brings a right shot and a skill set on the right side this orginization was sorely lacking.
Its been out in the media a lot recently but with teh success of vegas and tampa finding these lesser known guys who can turn into 30 goal scorers
Marrchessault with florida, karrlson with vegas, gourde with tampa
GMs are trying to find these diamonds in the rough, guys who can come in super cheap and provide that excellent level of scoring.
Tre just seems to have gone out and acquired more of them. Mangiapane, Foo, Czarnik, they all fit this type of player and arguing semantics of where they were found is pointless. yes they all have different circumstances surrounding how they got here, but the fact is, if you can give yourself more arrows in the quiver, the better chances of hitting the target.
Maybe they are all AHL at best, maybe their ceilings are Byron, maybe one of them is the next wild bill, who knows? but you can't find out unless you give them real opportunity, which arguably GG wasn't willing to give mangipanne last year but who knows how they do under peters.
You just got upset at a statement and changed it around saying the exact same thing.
This is sports entertainment. Of course the team that just signed him is going to pump his tires in the *press*. And this is a fan forum. I see little point in feeling the need to temper optimism especially when it's just with semantics.
I think it goes without saying he's going to need to earn whatever role he gets.
The post below looks exactly like expecting a guy to pay his dues.
Do you agree with AustinL_NHL? Or is tempering THOSE expectations a worthy topic?
This is worse than Reggie's "he's made the team" Eric Nystrom post from a while back.
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL Peters already basically guaranteed that Czarnik will get a ton of PP time, if not be a mainstay. Also, Czarnik is considered by Peters to be an "elite power-play player" and by the way Czarnik talked when being interviewed after signing, it seems Treliving and Peters basically told him he's going to be playing top 9 minutes and at minimum be an every day roster player.
Also guessing they didn't travel all the way down to meet with him in person and sign him to a 2-year/$2.5M contract just for him to be a 13th forward.
The post below looks exactly like expecting a guy to pay his dues.
Do you agree with AustinL_NHL? Or is tempering THOSE expectations a worthy topic?
This is worse than Reggie's "he's made the team" Eric Nystrom post from a while back.
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL Peters already basically guaranteed that Czarnik will get a ton of PP time, if not be a mainstay. Also, Czarnik is considered by Peters to be an "elite power-play player" and by the way Czarnik talked when being interviewed after signing, it seems Treliving and Peters basically told him he's going to be playing top 9 minutes and at minimum be an every day roster player.
Also guessing they didn't travel all the way down to meet with him in person and sign him to a 2-year/$2.5M contract just for him to be a 13th forward.
So....
Czarnik isn't waiver eligible. The odds of the Flames putting him on waivers after flying out to meet with him and then signing him to a 2 year 2.5 million dollar contract are zero. He will have to earn his position in the line up, but he won't be getting sent down.
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Czarnik isn't waiver eligible. The odds of the Flames putting him on waivers after flying out to meet with him and then signing him to a 2 year 2.5 million dollar contract are zero. He will have to earn his position in the line up, but he won't be getting sent down.
I am not talking about waivers. Big spread between that and guaranteed top 9 spot.
The post below looks exactly like expecting a guy to pay his dues.
Do you agree with AustinL_NHL? Or is tempering THOSE expectations a worthy topic?
This is worse than Reggie's "he's made the team" Eric Nystrom post from a while back.
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL Peters already basically guaranteed that Czarnik will get a ton of PP time, if not be a mainstay. Also, Czarnik is considered by Peters to be an "elite power-play player" and by the way Czarnik talked when being interviewed after signing, it seems Treliving and Peters basically told him he's going to be playing top 9 minutes and at minimum be an every day roster player.
Also guessing they didn't travel all the way down to meet with him in person and sign him to a 2-year/$2.5M contract just for him to be a 13th forward.
So....
Hmm... seems you missed the part where I also said Czarnik could play awful in the NHL and quickly flame out. Hmm...
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Really? Just a few posts back you said he is no different than Foo and we should wait and see if he makes the team.
You also said if Treliving and Peters hadn't made comments about him we would be expecting him to play in the AHL. Just not the case at all.
He is no different. He would be expected to start in the AHL if not for the comments.
Many players go thru waivers. Very few get picked up.
What happens here is unknown. Just like his spot on the team. We dont know where he fits in if he fots in at all.
You are acting as if we got ourselves a top 3 pick here. This guy has miles behind him and all he has accomplished is pretty much nothing. No reason to put him in unless he makes it.
Austins comments are rediculous. But you disagreed with me. i guess you agree that he should get a spot given to him no matter what. .
To me it looks like Tre signed a guy HOPING he is a player. You guys KNOW he already is one.
He is no different. He would be expected to start in the AHL if not for the comments.
Many players go thru waivers. Very few get picked up.
What happens here is unknown. Just like his spot on the team. We dont know where he fits in if he fots in at all.
You are acting as if we got ourselves a top 3 pick here. This guy has miles behind him and all he has accomplished is pretty much nothing. No reason to put him in unless he makes it.
Austins comments are rediculous. But you disagreed with me. i guess you agree that he should get a spot given to him no matter what. .
To me it looks like Tre signed a guy HOPING he is a player. You guys KNOW he already is one.
Agree to disagree.
Considering 24 teams showed interest in Czarnik, I love how confident you are that he'd pass through waivers lol
Considering 24 teams showed interest in Czarnik, I love how confident you are that he'd pass through waivers lol
You guys are so binary. If he has a crappy camp followed by a crappy 20 game stint then yes, he may get through. We may hope that he doesn't. Thats the thing with projects
Would they risk it? Probably not so maybe he stays like Freddie did in hopes he gets better. Not sure if thats a good thing though.
But really, he is not guaranteed top 9 and a bunch of PP time, which you claimed. So to bring this thread back on track, Czernik is a long shot to be a part of the PP.
Unless you stick to your guarantee that he is a regular with lots of PP. In that case we got ourselves a ~20 goal guy. Would you stand by that prediction?
I often wonder why some people get so bent out of shape with fans being excited or optimistic about a player
There are reasons to be excited about this kid. There are reasons to temper that excitement
I don’t see anyone predicting him to be the next Johnny except those using hyperbole to misrepresent the levels of optimism
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You guys are so binary. If he has a crappy camp followed by a crappy 20 game stint then yes, he may get through. We may hope that he doesn't. Thats the thing with projects
Would they risk it? Probably not so maybe he stays like Freddie did in hopes he gets better. Not sure if thats a good thing though.
But really, he is not guaranteed top 9 and a bunch of PP time, which you claimed. So to bring this thread back on track, Czernik is a long shot to be a part of the PP.
Unless you stick to your guarantee that he is a regular with lots of PP. In that case we got ourselves a ~20 goal guy. Would you stand by that prediction?
Hmm... I must've missed the part where I said he was a 20 goal guy. Hmm...
Your outrage makes my point
You are overreacting to a small number of excited fans
The overall point that management would not have gone the lengths they did to sign him absent some belief in upside is a valid point
Truth is none of us no much about the player
Getting worked up about excited fans just puzzles me
Blargh! How dare you be optimistic! Allow me to outline all the reasons why your excitement is misplaced and offensive!
What do you care more about? Being right about this or him actually doing well?
Your outrage makes my point
You are overreacting to a small number of excited fans
The overall point that management would not have gone the lengths they did to sign him absent some belief in upside is a valid point
Truth is none of us no much about the player
Getting worked up about excited fans just puzzles me
Blargh! How dare you be optimistic! Allow me to outline all the reasons why your excitement is misplaced and offensive!
What do you care more about? Being right about this or him actually doing well?
Outrage? Lol. It's a discussion forum.
Its called not being a moron and expecting every new shiny toy to be a star.
I care about a place where one can have a conversation without people talking nonsense. Read the posts from Austin and tell me you agree with him. You tell me that im wrong in curbing his expectation, which BTW he says is a guarantee. Just go to pg1.
I am excited to have a crack at TESTING Czarnik. But im not expecting him to be a full time player with tons of PP time. Becasue that would be a pretty dumb statement to make about a 25 yesr old with 5 goals to his carreer. No?
Its called not being a moron and expecting every new shiny toy to be a star.
I care about a place where one can have a conversation without people talking nonsense. Read the posts from Austin and tell me you agree with him. You tell me that im wrong in curbing his expectation, which BTW he says is a guarantee. Just go to pg1.
I am excited to have a crack at TESTING Czarnik. But im not expecting him to be a full time player with tons of PP time. Becasue that would be a pretty dumb statement to make about a 25 yesr old with 5 goals to his carreer. No?
