2018 World Cup

[nik-]

Originally Posted by flamenspiel

well, all teams dive now, and its simply a way to indicate to the referee that a foul has occurred. Simulation(diving when no foul occured) and play acting is more of a problem though. I think var may cut down on that as fouls will now be easier to see.

In this years nba playoffs i saw lebron james fall when a 6 foot 2 inch guard ran into him and an offensive foul was called, it sure looked like a dive to me. In fact he then then ran around chasing the ref just like the argentinian player did the other day. Is that embarrassing for lebron? I don't think so, he would say its part of the game.

It happens more in soccer because its a much more physical game then basketball and the ref could be 30 yards down the field so he can't see the foul.

lol

[CroFlames]

https://www.tsn.ca/neymar-urged-to-s...ward-1.1130705

"We need players like Neymar," said the former West Germany captain, who won the inaugural FIFA world player award in 1991. "But not with this acting what he was doing now in each game."

Former England forward Alan Shearer called Neymar's behaviour "absolutely pathetic" in a British broadcast Monday. Neymar's theatrics distracted from Brazil's 2-0 win over Mexico

Everyone seems to agree that Neymar's bull#### needs to stop. Everyone, that is, except Brazilians:

"The criticism is nonsense," Brazil great Ronaldo told reporters Wednesday. "I am against all these opinions you mentioned. I don't think referees have been protecting him enough."

I guess that explains our resident Brazilian's stance on the antics.

And a little love from Lothar for Modric for player of the year:

The German great picked out another PSG star, Kylian Mbappe of France, England captain Harry Kane and Croatia captain Luka Modric as potential candidates for the FIFA award when voting opens July 23.

[Jimmy Stang]

Diving is a problem because there are no downsides to doing it - only upsides. Very rarely is a dive penalized with a card, and very often it is rewarded with a foul, penalty, or card against your opponent. VAR might catch some dives and negate the benefit, but there is still hardly any consequence.

Supporters, pundits, players, FIFA, referees - pretty much everyone - accepts it and justifies it. Or at minimum, shrugs and sighs and says that there is nothing that can be done.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

https://www.tsn.ca/neymar-urged-to-s...ward-1.1130705



Everyone seems to agree that Neymar's bull#### needs to stop. Everyone, that is, except Brazilians:


I guess that explains our resident Brazilian's stance on the antics.

And a little love from Lothar for Modric for player of the year:

I don’t think he had any problems with Klinsmann’s diving when they were lifting the cup.

[CroFlames]

I rest my case.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Straight reds for diving should be in play, it's cheating plain and simple and deserves the harshest punishment. That's the quickest way to get it out, you think Neymar or Suarez or Alli are flopping around if they know they could get sent off instead? When a yellow is the worst case and the best case could be a penalty, pretty easy decision. Totally different when red is in play.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I rest my case.

https://youtu.be/tB7Y33VteME

They way all of you are acting makes it seem like Neymar does this every time he gets the ball. He embellishes fouls, but haven’t seen a dive like this one. Hope everyone has a great day, Vai Brasil!

[devo22]

how about forcing "injured" player to stay on the sideline for a couple of minutes to "recover"? I think even Neymar would change his antics.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by devo22

how about forcing "injured" player to stay on the sideline for a couple of minutes to "recover"? I think even Neymar would change his antics.

How about no recovery, how about a forced substitution? There's definitely ways to weed this crap out, it's just how far are they willing to go. I suspect the answer is not very.

[Weitz]

I feel like penalties are too much of a game changer.

They should change the rules that a foul has to actually be a red card to earn a penalty. I think its stupid something that wouldn't even earn a yellow is given as a penalty.

[TheIronMaiden]

The ironic part about soccer players diving is that flopping onto the ground is probably just as painful as anything else that could have happened.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

How about no recovery, how about a forced substitution? There's definitely ways to weed this crap out, it's just how far are they willing to go. I suspect the answer is not very.

even better. Whatever helps.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

How about no recovery, how about a forced substitution? There's definitely ways to weed this crap out, it's just how far are they willing to go. I suspect the answer is not very.

Of course, that would create even greater incentive to beat the crap out of star players if you know they will be subbed...

[Johnny Makarov]

FIFA should tell the broadcasters to stop showing the slow mo replays of the dives. It makes these 'athletes' look even more pathetic.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And actually it is embarrassing for LeBron. He gets roundly mocked for it. Basketball never gets enough credit for how physical it is. LeBron banging his body into you isn't some picnic, it takes a toll.

Well its no picnic getting kicked with pair of soccer cleats or kneed in the back at full force, I seem to remember Neymar sustaining a lumbar vertebrae fracture in the last world cup. Have you played competative soccer?

There is a strategy that goes right down to the more minor levels. because the ref cannot call a yellow card every two minutes a team can continuously kick(and elbow) the other team throughout the game and get a way with it. Usually there is some respect there to avoid that but it does happen quite often that one team will tactically foul during the entire 90 minutes or until someone receives a red card.

The games often end in fistfights and/or one team walking off the field. There was a league in Toronto where the Toronto Metro Croatia played the Serbia White eagles, those games would end in brawls and riots on a regular basis.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Well its no picnic getting kicked with pair of soccer cleats or kneed in the back at full force, I seem to remember Neymar sustaining a lumbar vertebrae fracture in the last world cup. Have you played soccer?

Yes. And basketball. No one is saying soccer is physically easy, but it's not so much harder than other sports. I'd say it's right on par with the NBA, the NBA is probably more demanding because of playoff rules where the physicality gets to be a little out of control.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

FIFA should tell the broadcasters to stop showing the slow mo replays of the dives. It makes these 'athletes' look even more pathetic.

They should show more of it to create more outrage to hopefully have changes made

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

FIFA should tell the broadcasters to stop showing the slow mo replays of the dives. It makes these 'athletes' look even more pathetic.

No way. That's one of the best deterrents there is.

[SuperMatt18]

Retroactive yellows would get the job done - especially in a tournament like this.

Say if Neymar had got two post game yellows for embellishment already this tournament (not a stretch) he would be missing the quarter final match up.

That would tone down the diving quickly IMO.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by browna

England and Sweden likely to be a snorer. All teams tighten up the further these go but this may be the most cautious of the 4 games.

T and P for the Columbian players who missed the penalties. Don’t head out to the club as soon as you land home.

It depends

Colombia played 3 dms yesterday, effectively always 7 men behind the ball, they were afraid of getting caught out

Sweden will be cautious but they like to pass the ball a bit, they wont sit back as much