[confirmed] Flames will go after Derek Ryan in FA

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by timbit

If he scores 40 points a year for the next 3 years he is worth 4 mil per annum.
No acquisition cost is important.

If he scores 40 points a year for each of the next three seasons, the Flames will be a laughing stock or Peters has played favorites. 40 points is 2nd line numbers. No way does Ryan play 2nd line, or earn 2nd line time on the Flames without gross malfeasance by the coaching staff.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by New Era

If he scores 40 points a year for each of the next three seasons, the Flames will be a laughing stock or Peters has played favorites. 40 points is 2nd line numbers. No way does Ryan play 2nd line, or earn 2nd line time on the Flames without gross malfeasance by the coaching staff.

What if he plays there because he’s effective and produces?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by New Era

If he scores 40 points a year for each of the next three seasons, the Flames will be a laughing stock or Peters has played favorites. 40 points is 2nd line numbers. No way does Ryan play 2nd line, or earn 2nd line time on the Flames without gross malfeasance by the coaching staff.

His points per minute played were the same as Lindholm and Staal.
Is that good enough for you?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What if he plays there because he’s effective and produces?

At the expense of who? One of the most annoying things is when players get ice time ahead of others who should be given the time. And save your argument about who Ryan played ahead of in Carolina. The fans in Carolina thought he got the Brouwer treatment and was gifted ice time for the Hurricanes, and with some damn good players. I guess you have to ask how you would react if Ryan was gifted time with the Flames ahead of guys like Bennett and Jankowski, who have much greater upside, but need opportunity? Then how would you react if Ryan is gifted this time, and generated Brouwer type numbers?

I would rather not roll the dice of bringing in an undersized player with little track record who has a connection to the coach, who the fans of his previous team complained of the very same things we did about Brouwer. I mean, after all the pissing and moaning on this site about Ferland and he not deserving his ice time? Or was Ferland not effective and produced? There were plenty here suggesting Ferland was gifted time, yet he was effective and productive. I don’t like the potential for this signing to turn a lot worse than Brouwer and really become problematic for the team and the room.

Originally Posted by timbit

His points per minute played were the same as Lindholm and Staal.
Is that good enough for you?

Nope. It’s like suggesting that Maroon’s numbers in Edmonton are all on him, and not him leeching points off of McDavid. The question you have to ask is, is Ryan a 40 point player, or just a guy who scored 40 points. Based on him not cracking the NHL until his 30’s, I call the latter. I don’t see Ryan being a player that should be getting ice time ahead of most of our roster, especially a number of our young guys. Our long term success is going to be based on the development and contribution of these young players, not the addition of some third year 30something marginal player.

[Stud_McCool]

If Treliving and Peters liked Ryan so much, why didn't they just ask to include him in the Hanifin/Lindholm deal? That way, they could've signed him already without this supposed bidding war with other teams.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

If Treliving and Peters liked Ryan so much, why didn't they just ask to include him in the Hanifin/Lindholm deal? That way, they could've signed him already without this supposed bidding war with other teams.

Ryan was probably going to test the market anyway.

When the trade was completed it was less than 12 hours until the courting period. He could have talked to all the teams .

Including him may also have complicated the trade with Carolina with them then demanding something in return for Ryan's rights.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by New Era

At the expense of who? One of the most annoying things is when players get ice time ahead of others who should be given the time. And save your argument about who Ryan played ahead of in Carolina. The fans in Carolina thought he got the Brouwer treatment and was gifted ice time for the Hurricanes, and with some damn good players. I guess you have to ask how you would react if Ryan was gifted time with the Flames ahead of guys like Bennett and Jankowski, who have much greater upside, but need opportunity? Then how would you react if Ryan is gifted this time, and generated Brouwer type numbers?

I would rather not roll the dice of bringing in an undersized player with little track record who has a connection to the coach, who the fans of his previous team complained of the very same things we did about Brouwer. I mean, after all the pissing and moaning on this site about Ferland and he not deserving his ice time? Or was Ferland not effective and produced? There were plenty here suggesting Ferland was gifted time, yet he was effective and productive. I don’t like the potential for this signing to turn a lot worse than Brouwer and really become problematic for the team and the room.



Nope. It’s like suggesting that Maroon’s numbers in Edmonton are all on him, and not him leeching points off of McDavid. The question you have to ask is, is Ryan a 40 point player, or just a guy who scored 40 points. Based on him not cracking the NHL until his 30’s, I call the latter. I don’t see Ryan being a player that should be getting ice time ahead of most of our roster, especially a number of our young guys. Our long term success is going to be based on the development and contribution of these young players, not the addition of some third year 30something marginal player.

If Brouwer put up 40 points not a single person in this board would be complaining about how he was used last year. At least if Ryan was over used in Carolina he put up some points.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If Brouwer put up 40 points not a single person in this board would be complaining about how he was used last year. At least if Ryan was over used in Carolina he put up some points.

I don’t disagree. But no one performed great under Gulutzan’s system. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Ryan is going to be a mistake for whatever team signs him. I really don’t want to see the Flames make any more mistakes in free agency.

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Expect centre Derek Ryan to sign a three-year deal with the #Flames on Sunday. He left money on the table to reunite with Bill Peters after 20 #NHL teams expressed interest.

3 Years to the Flames.