[Rumour] Flames meeting with Ryan Reaves

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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Brandon Bollig. Nicklas Grossmann. Tanner Glass. All brought in to add toughness to the team and nothing else. All were terrible players who don't belong near an NHL team.

If you want to add toughness to the team, cool. But go out and get a skill player who also provides toughness. Don't bring in a face puncher who isn't going to contribute nothing else and who will just fill a roster spot that would be better spent on a player who provides at least a little offense and/or defense, both of which Reaves provides nothing of

While I agree with you, the problem with this is there aren't enough of these guys that you're referring to to go around. Ferland kind of filled that role, but less so last year whether it was due to injury or a thought process of "oh if I'm on the top line I should tone down the rough stuff"

The power forward with a chip on their shoulder is a bit of a dying breed it seems, and that's why guys like Reaves are still around. (Not that he is a power forward, but fills a role on teams that's otherwise missing as the full package is hard to come by)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

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[FlatLandFlamesFan]

I kinda want Reaves signed

I get visions of Big Ern and his time here , the confidence he brought to the bench
and Reaves hits like a Frickin' train he has decent wheels and if used properly and inserted into to the line up for the proper games
he could be a hell of force

[1qqaaz]

After thinking about this for a few days, I have decided that I don't like it.

I'd rather have 4 young scoring lines.
Reaves just doesn't have the offensive ability required IMO. Sometimes players are so bad that the the entire line suffers. It's extremely hard to help the line when you only produce about 8 points a year. Remember when Chiasson was on the top line? The puck constantly died on his stick.

I wouldn't want to see Reaves dragging down people like Ryan, Mangiapane, Foo, etc.

But with all this said, I wouldn't mind signing Reaves if he comes very cheap.
If they get him for 1.5 mill or less, they'll be able to scratch him when necessary. He could be an asset for sure. Just please don't overpay.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Brandon Bollig. Nicklas Grossmann. Tanner Glass. All brought in to add toughness to the team and nothing else. All were terrible players who don't belong near an NHL team.

If you want to add toughness to the team, cool. But go out and get a skill player who also provides toughness. Don't bring in a face puncher who isn't going to contribute nothing else and who will just fill a roster spot that would be better spent on a player who provides at least a little offense and/or defense, both of which Reaves provides nothing of

This is not criticism of your post but I would just like to hear who you and others think is someone that is like what you want to bring in?

[rhino]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

After thinking about this for a few days, I have decided that I don't like it.

I'd rather have 4 young scoring lines.
Reaves just doesn't have the offensive ability required IMO. Sometimes players are so bad that the the entire line suffers. It's extremely hard to help the line when you only produce about 8 points a year. Remember when Chiasson was on the top line? The puck constantly died on his stick.

I wouldn't want to see Reaves dragging down people like Ryan, Mangiapane, Foo, etc.

But with all this said, I wouldn't mind signing Reaves if he comes very cheap.
If they get him for 1.5 mill or less, they'll be able to scratch him when necessary. He could be an asset for sure. Just please don't overpay.

If you are going to have Mangianpane and Foo on the fourth line you are wasting them. They are skilled guys that need at the very least top 9 minutes.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by rhino

If you are going to have Mangianpane and Foo on the fourth line you are wasting them. They are skilled guys that need at the very least top 9 minutes.

True. And I think they would/should move up the lineup eventually - especially if 1 or 2 forwards are injured at any given time.

But with 4 scoring lines, the 4th line would get more minutes than usual.
If Derek Ryan really did play on the 4th line, I do think it would have some scoring potential.

Again, I'd be fine with Reaves. I just think that if the Flames sign him, he'll probably be overpaid.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by rhino

This is not criticism of your post but I would just like to hear who you and others think is someone that is like what you want to bring in?

There's very few players like that. And they're super valuable. I get that.

All I'm saying is that while toughness is nice to have, it's only valuable when that player provides more than just a physical presence, which is all Reeve's has to offer.

Bringing in a face-puncher just for the sake of adding toughness to your lineup doesn't provide any value to your team aside from the 1 moment every 2 or so games where that player either delivers a crushing hit or pounds an opposing players' face in.

Bringing in a player to your lineup and letting him fill up a valuable roster spot with the hope that he'll have one nice moment every couple games isn't the right way to go

[David Struch]

This 4th line would be entertaining...

Garnet Hathaway - Ryan Lomberg - Ryan Reaves

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rhino

If you are going to have Mangianpane and Foo on the fourth line you are wasting them. They are skilled guys that need at the very least top 9 minutes.

Disagree. A lot of talented players start on the 4th line and work their way up. The trick is not putting a skilled player with two plugs on the 4th line and expecting offence. The NHL is becoming a 4-line league, with skill through the lineup. Mangiapane-Ryan-Foo would be a decent line.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by rhino

This is not criticism of your post but I would just like to hear who you and others think is someone that is like what you want to bring in?

Off the top of my head, Brendan Gallagher. Gallagher would cross check the #### outta somebody's arm if they took liberties with Monahan.

[chubeyr1]

We would definitely overpay for Reaves. Like we did with Engelland.

Yet Engelland added so much to the teams toughness. People seem to think players only deserve to be paid for their offensive abilities.

Calgary lacks a tonne of toughness. We have some gritty players but no deterrent on the team.

I dont want a goon on this team. I want a hockey player. Reaves does not fight much. He goes out on a regular shift and hits people. Reaves does not fight alot because people dont want to fight him.

Hathaway tries to do what Reaves does. It does not work bless his heart. Yet I guy backed by Reaves plays a lot tougher.


I would like to see Reaves here. Our players will play more confident with this guy in the line up. That creates offense.

People talk about intangibles with a player all the time. Brouwer Stajan, they did nothing for this team last year. Reaves has intangibles in spades. He scares the hell out of people!

You gonna slash Johnny and risk this guy coming after you? Or a teammate.

He does not have to fight to be effective. Probably the best in the league at that. Yet he is also one hell of a nightmare bodychecking people. Our players normally get hurt checking the other team cleanly. Reaves has averaged 73.4 games per year playing on good teams for 5 years.

I love the player. I think he is exactly what this team needs. Will let all our players play tougher. We will over pay for this.

Does he add depth scoring? No. Top three lines will probably score more though.

Tired of Mike Smith trying to be the tough guy on the team. Tanner Glass getting his clock cleaned, Lomberg being destroyed, and Hathaway losing every fight.

Signing Reaves probably cuts the amount of fights in half. Players will be allowed to play their game. If not allowed too, the other team gets to meet Reaves.



I want this guy on my team.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The Blues, Pens and Golden Knights all disagree with the posters here citing he is nothing more than a face puncher and isn't a hockey player.



How in the world can elite teams experiencing success have this guy playing regularly throughout the season? Maybe because he isn't a detriment to the team while he is on the ice? Maybe he helps his teams?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Brandon Bollig. Nicklas Grossmann. Tanner Glass. All brought in to add toughness to the team and nothing else. All were terrible players who don't belong near an NHL team.

If you want to add toughness to the team, cool. But go out and get a skill player who also provides toughness. Don't bring in a face puncher who isn't going to contribute nothing else and who will just fill a roster spot that would be better spent on a player who provides at least a little offense and/or defense, both of which Reaves provides nothing of

Easier said than done. I'm quite sure if the Flames could find such a skilled player that fits within their budget they'd be inking him to a contract on July 1st.

Reaves might not be the perfect answer but he does address a need this team is lacking. Besides I doubt he'd be in the lineup every night and more likely in games where the coaching staff fell his toughness would be needed.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The Blues, Pens and Golden Knights all disagree with the posters here citing he is nothing more than a face puncher and isn't a hockey player.



How in the world can elite teams experiencing success have this guy playing regularly throughout the season? Maybe because he isn't a detriment to the team while he is on the ice? Maybe he helps his teams?

Playing 74 games a year probably says something about the guy.
Not a top six fix, but plays a valuable role for the team he plays for.

Pitts and Vegas saw value in the guy. We should too!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

We would definitely overpay for Reaves. Like we did with Engelland.

Yet Engelland added so much to the teams toughness. People seem to think players only deserve to be paid for their offensive abilities.

Calgary lacks a tonne of toughness. We have some gritty players but no deterrent on the team.

I dont want a goon on this team. I want a hockey player. Reaves does not fight much. He goes out on a regular shift and hits people. Reaves does not fight alot because people dont want to fight him.

Hathaway tries to do what Reaves does. It does not work bless his heart. Yet I guy backed by Reaves plays a lot tougher.


I would like to see Reaves here. Our players will play more confident with this guy in the line up. That creates offense.

People talk about intangibles with a player all the time. Brouwer Stajan, they did nothing for this team last year. Reaves has intangibles in spades. He scares the hell out of people!

You gonna slash Johnny and risk this guy coming after you? Or a teammate.

He does not have to fight to be effective. Probably the best in the league at that. Yet he is also one hell of a nightmare bodychecking people. Our players normally get hurt checking the other team cleanly. Reaves has averaged 73.4 games per year playing on good teams for 5 years.

I love the player. I think he is exactly what this team needs. Will let all our players play tougher. We will over pay for this.

Does he add depth scoring? No. Top three lines will probably score more though.

Tired of Mike Smith trying to be the tough guy on the team. Tanner Glass getting his clock cleaned, Lomberg being destroyed, and Hathaway losing every fight.

Signing Reaves probably cuts the amount of fights in half. Players will be allowed to play their game. If not allowed too, the other team gets to meet Reaves.



I want this guy on my team.

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[KamFongAsChinHo]

I don't know if this was covered earlier but one needs to watch "Ice Guardians", the documentary about hockey enforcers from 2016,


In it, Mike Cammaleri talks about how his 39 goal season was helped by Brian McGratton having his back. A lot less liberties taken by the opposition on him.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I liked everything but “Engelland was overpaid”. Engelland had a great contract.