[Rumour] Flames meeting with Ryan Reaves

[868904]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Fake news. Brouwer fought a lot considering it was only in the first half of the season (due to having to wear a cage later). Until he got the broken bone in his face (from a puck IIRC) he was the fight leader. And he absolutely destroyed a couple guys in fights.

He's not a good player, but credit where it's due:

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/...htcard/reg2018

Yeah he beat up 3 guys who can't fight.

Yet when they needed him most in games against the Oilers and Ducks, he's no where to be found.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yeah he beat up 3 guys who can't fight.

Yet when they needed him most in games against the Oilers and Ducks, he's no where to be found.

You are seeing what you want. Brouwer hits and fights as much as anyone on the team. That's not his issue.

[alan21]

This team is buttery soft and if you can add one single player to change the perception of your opponents and actually think twice about running your star players you absolutely do it. the 2 to 2.5 per year spent on him will be worth it not having to potentially lose any man games from the core players. A true tough guy who will defend teammates really makes everyone feel that much more comfortable and one less thing for the stars to worry about.

Not saying I'm going to run out and get a Reaves jersey pressed but what we have tried isn't working and I enjoy this new approach. Bringing back the same bottom 6 next year with so many familiar faces that failed last year would be worse.

[ricardodw]

I am all for it if it takes away image of Gaudreau's whining to the refs after getting slashed to hands.

The Refs are tired of the whining and are not protecting him like they should and the Flames are not doing anything about it.

ALL of the undersized Vegas players played fearlessly in the playoffs.

Reeves is a better player than Mangiapane at the NHL level who a lot of people have penciled in their lineups.

Reaves has been playing close to 80 games/year on better teams than the Flames. If he is signed as a UFA he will likely be in the lineup on regular basis.

Last year on June 23 Pitsburgh traded 22 year old NHL ready prospect Oskar Sundqvist and a 1st round pick #31 for St.L 2nd round pick #51 and Reaves.


St. L Protected Reaves instead of Perron in the expansion draft in order to make this trade.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Burke's gone but it seems his spirit is still in the building. The Capitals won the cup without a guy like Reaves on their team and the Flames didn't miss the playoffs because they are butter soft and more because they were offensively challenged and poorly coached. This signing won't change anything in regards to the Flames plight in the standings but it will consume a roster spot and add to the press box rotation.

??? Tom Wilson.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1012352758572371968

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

I think people are underestimating what having Reaves in the lineup will do.

I have a couple of thoughts on this...

1: Statistical Evidence: He has low point production, a negative +/-, RelCorsi & RelFenwick were both negative, and historically he has one of the worse penalty differentials in the league.

2: NHL Value the average salary in the NHL is about 3.1M now and was a shade under 3 when he signed his last deal... Ryan Reaves made 1.125 so he was valued at about 60% below average.

He doesn't make good things happen on the ice and he hasn't been valued enough by his bosses to make any significant money (relatively speaking) so I would be more comfortable thinking that you're overestimating him more then the crowd is under.

[Nelson]

Okay. In my opinion, this is a bad idea because it is a bad idea to sign bad players whose value is inflated because they have been on really successful teams: St Louis, Pittsburgh and now Las Vegas. The question is: to what extent was he responsible for the success of those teams? My personal guess is that they won despite having to play with Reaves.

Also, the guy is 31. What generally happens to big 31 year old forwards who were never blessed with blazing speed?

If this deal is for more than a year, I’ll be scooting over to the buyout calculator and voting the Flames replace Brad Treliving.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I am all for it if it takes away image of Gaudreau's whining to the refs after getting slashed to hands.

The Refs are tired of the whining and are not protecting him like they should and the Flames are not doing anything about it.

ALL of the undersized Vegas players played fearlessly in the playoffs.

Reeves is a better player than Mangiapane at the NHL level who a lot of people have penciled in their lineups.

Reaves has been playing close to 80 games/year on better teams than the Flames. If he is signed as a UFA he will likely be in the lineup on regular basis.

Last year on June 23 Pitsburgh traded 22 year old NHL ready prospect Oskar Sundqvist and a 1st round pick #31 for St.L 2nd round pick #51 and Reaves.


St. L Protected Reaves instead of Perron in the expansion draft in order to make this trade.

St. Louis lookin real smart protecting Ryan Reaves over 66 points in 70 games David Perron.

You think maybe Perron had more of an impact helping Vegas win than Reaves?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by activeStick

??? Tom Wilson.

Tom Wilson had 35 points this season, plus 15 more in the playoffs and is in his mid 20's. Ryan Reaves had 10 this season, 2 in the playoffs, and is on the wrong side of 30.

Bad comparable is bad.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by activeStick

??? Tom Wilson.

Exactly.
Wilson played in 21 of 24 playoff games for Caps and speculation is will be signing a long term deal with them.
I'm not in favour of signing Reaves, particularly. Nor against it.

What I am against is useless posts with misleading information.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1012352758572371968

Looks like the rumour is likely legitimate then. This has been a disappointing off-season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Looks like the rumour is likely legitimate then. This has been a disappointing off-season.

Disagree. We made a great blockbuster trade on Saturday and Gulutzan was fired.

[Strange Brew]

With a player like Reaves do you focus on all the teams that he has played for, or on all the teams that he no longer plays for?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Would they have though? They won 2 Cups without him and Washington plowed through Vegas easier than the Pens anyway.

They got pushed around pretty well in the Washington series this year. He may not have turned the tide for them but they definitely could have used him that round.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Looks like the rumour is likely legitimate then. This has been a disappointing off-season.

Let's not get too upset about the moves they have yet to make. Although maybe not the coach everyone wanted, you have to believe it is an upgrade over Gulutzan. Those who were defending the coach all season long haven't had much negative to say.

And big picture, that trade got the Flames younger and with more potential. Not like we broke up the '27 Yankees so I don't see a ton of downside.

[EldrickOnIce]

Tre does what he does. He meets with everyone.
If he has learned his UFA lessons, and I hope he has, he will walk away on any kind of long term deal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If your position is that this move wouldn't make or break the team and therefore it isn't something to be annoyed about, then many of us are wasting a lot of time on this forum.

He is coming off a 4 year contract as an enforcer. He will be 32 years old before the end of the season. He will take up a roster spot. His next contract will likely scare me, and it seems like these types of moves never work out for the Flames.

The only positive I see is that he does have apparent value around the league since he was included in a package for the 31st overall pick (insane move by Pittsburgh who will also sign Jack Johnson to a 5 year contract in 3 days).

My position is that I don't see how signing him hurts, unless they massively overpay.

The biggest question to me is how much value is provided with just his mere presence? He's probably the toughest guy in the league right now. Is there anything to the theory that the rest of the team "feels a couple inches taller" with him on their side. I would think there is some truth to that. You'd have to ask NHL players though to really find out.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I would rather have Reaves than Hathaway if that's what it comes down to

Why? At least Hathaway is cheap and we know he can at least play some sort of serviceable role on the ice. Reaves is going to eat into the cap for multiple seasons and likely will be unable to take anything close to a regular shift.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Toonage

They got pushed around pretty well in the Washington series this year. He may not have turned the tide for them but they definitely could have used him that round.

My main point was that Reeves didn't help Vegas at all in the Washington series so I doubt he would've done anything for the Penguins either. Also, Vegas destroyed one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest team in the playoffs with ease. The Kings only scored 3 goals in the entire series and were swept unceremoniously by the much faster, deeper and smaller team.

IMO, Washington won the series because they had the more talented and deeper forward group and Vegas had no shutdown pair to answer the likes of Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Oshie and etc who ate them right up.