[Rumour] Flames meeting with Ryan Reaves

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I hate it when people say this. Reaves DID NOT get traded for a first round draft pick. He got traded to move up 20 spots in the draft. Pens traded pick #31 to the Blues for pick #51 and Reaves.

Hate is a strong word but I can tell you mean it from the capitalized letters. You missed out Oskar Sundqvist going the other way too.

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by icecube

I really liked what he brought to the Knights in the games he did suit up for these playoffs. I'd welcome him here for sure.

Agreed, Vegas 4th line was very visible and important during their ride to the Cup final. This guy surely brings in something we are missing right now.

[868904]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I hope you aren't serious unless you want to add a prospect or a high pick.

Martin has 2 more years at a caphit of 2.5 million per (final year actual pay 1.75 million)

Brouwer has 2 more year at a caphit and actual payout of 4.5 million per.

Martin is 29. Brouwer 32.

Last season Brouwer played 76 games and had 6 goals and 16 assists. Avg icetime of 13:56 a game PLUS 1:14 of PP time per game (5 assists coming of the PP)

Martin played 50 games and had 3 goals and 9 assists avg icetime of 7:59 a game and no PP time.

So Brouwer played 26 more games than Martin. Averaged 6 more minutes a game than Martin. And averaged more than a minute of PP time a game. And he managed to score 3 more goals and 7 more assists.

Of course I'm serious, I hate the Leafs 😂

[mrdonkey]

I figured a signing like this was coming. This is just a Calgary Flames thing that unfortunately we have to deal with every year.

I’d rather we have tough guys who can actually play and contribute like Niederreiter or Clutterbuck, but given the lineup as-is looks Charmin soft this isn’t entirely surprising. At the very least I like him better than a lot of the meatheads we’ve had here since Big Ern.

Hoping he can keep a few of those Oilers apes in line, nothing was more frustrating as a fan than seeing our team victimized with no push back or willingness to stick up for one another.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This is what makes guys like Ferland and Engelland so valuable. We lost both in consecutive years.



Honestly, who hears prefers Hathaway over Reaves?



If the Oilers decide to run over the Flames when they are losing in a game, who is going to stick up for the Flames? I don't think the Flames can match Kassian and Nurse now, much less Lucic.



Tough guys that can play and contribute in different areas of the game are very valuable still. I am not a fan of Reaves, but the Flames without someone like him are soft. I love Tkachuk's game, and I think it helps to throw teams off balance, but what happens when those games get nasty and they start taking liberties? It is easy to say: "Just ignore it and let the refs handle it". I am betting that the players on the ice having to put up with it probably feel differently. There is nothing worse than a team that gets timid. It is way better if you have a team with some size in the lineup that can play and acquit themselves, but that is not the Flames this upcoming season, so I am not surprised by this interest at all.


Edit: Another thing that Treliving spoke about was leadership, and how this was a young team that needed more leadership. Guys like Reaves are usually quite good in the room and help the other players stay loose. I don't know about Reaves specifically, but usually they have that way about them. Will be interesting to see what other target they have in their sights.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This is what makes guys like Ferland and Engelland so valuable. We lost both in consecutive years.



Honestly, who hears prefers Hathaway over Reaves?



If the Oilers decide to run over the Flames when they are losing in a game, who is going to stick up for the Flames? I don't think the Flames can match Kassian and Nurse now, much less Lucic.

Even Ferland allowed the Oilers to run our skilled guys, Hathaway has heart but doesn't scare anyone. Brouwer can beat up middle weights but he's another wussy who backed away from the likes of Maroon and Nurse.

Sign Reaves NOW and fire Brouwer to the sun

[dieHARDflameZ]

This is a move the Flames absolutely should make in my opinion if the price is right.

I am sick and tired of watching teams take liberties with our stars and a guy like Reaves is a nuclear deterrent. Slot him in against the Oilers and Ducks if nothing more than to stop guys like Lucic, Kassian, Nurse, Kesler and Perry from running around.

Far too often last season our guys played scared. Having a tough guy like Reaves in the lineup should allow them to just play their game and play it with confidence.

[Erick Estrada]

Burke's gone but it seems his spirit is still in the building. The Capitals won the cup without a guy like Reaves on their team and the Flames didn't miss the playoffs because they are butter soft and more because they were offensively challenged and poorly coached. This signing won't change anything in regards to the Flames plight in the standings but it will consume a roster spot and add to the press box rotation.

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Capitals won the cup without a guy like Reaves on their team...

They had Wilson. He just happened to play on the top line half the time and chip in on offense.

That said I do remember seeing Reaves battling in front of the other teams' net fairly often too.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Burke's gone but it seems his spirit is still in the building. The Capitals won the cup without a guy like Reaves on their team and the Flames didn't miss the playoffs because they are butter soft and more because they were offensively challenged and poorly coached. This signing won't change anything in regards to the Flames plight in the standings but it will consume a roster spot and add to the press box rotation.

Fair point on the caps not needing a "deterrent", but you will likely recall that it was their physicality in games 6 and 7 versus Tampa that made the biggest difference. Some cup winners are built tough, others (like the penguins) excel on the PP and have a deterrent to keep things from getting out of hand.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Icon

They had Wilson. He just happened to play on the top line half the time and chip in on offense.

That said I do remember seeing Reaves battling in front of the other teams' net fairly often too.

Wilson can play a regular shift and he's more an edgy, dirty guy. I don't see the comparison at all. If you want a guy like that then go sign James Neil not Ryan Reaves.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Fair point on the caps not needing a "deterrent", but you will likely recall that it was their physicality in games 6 and 7 versus Tampa that made the biggest difference. Some cup winners are built tough, others (like the penguins) excel on the PP and have a deterrent to keep things from getting out of hand.

Flames are at the stage where they are simply trying to make it into the playoffs. Realistically this team is not close to being a true cup contender. I don't see 20-30 games of Reaves in the regular season as being a difference maker for this team especially if he's actually looking to get paid.

[Geeoff]

I like the player but I think Reaves is gonna get PAID.

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wilson can play a regular shift and he's more an edgy, dirty guy. I don't see the comparison at all. If you want a guy like that then go sign James Neil not Ryan Reaves.

I'd be fine with both actually.

[keenan87]

I am okay with picking him up for the fourth line. Although, as I keep saying.. too many bodies and I think we will see another major trade where we package up guys for a top six forward.

[PepsiFree]

If Reaves can take a shift on Pittsburgh and Vegas, two of the fastest teams in the NHL and teams that appeared in the last few Stanley cup finals, call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure he can take a shift on the “let’s hope for the playoffs” Flames.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I've always been pro-fighting, but with all the stories (Boynton, Carcillo etc), research and data coming out in the last few years I've turned against it - it has no place in any sport. These goons are turned in to mentally ill persons, not by choice, but by expectation.

Can Reaves play? Not good enough, his sole reason here is to hurt, hit and fight. Hence I don't want a player like that anywhere.

I completely agree with all your points, but as someone else said in this thread, as long as Reaves is still playing in the NHL, I'd rather have him on my team than on the opposition's team.

That said, if we don't sign him, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over it.

[Resolute 14]

Just what the fourth line needs... a defensive liability and possession black hole who can't even give you 10 minutes a night.

This is not the solution to our need for greater team toughness.

[Strange Brew]

This rumor makes no sense. Does Carolina not have an enforcer that we can trade for or sign?

[TheKurgan]

Don't we have enough useless 4th line plugs on this team? So I guess we will just keep Mangiapane and Foo in the AHL so that we can let Brouwer and Reaves fumble around on the 4th line every night.