[News] Tavares tells the Islanders he is leaving

[Poe969]

just be in the east. Please.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because you're not allowed to have two star centres? I'm not sure I follow your logic. Why does he fit in Boston but not in Dallas? Bergeron is a better player than Seguin. Is it age?

You can have two superstar anythings on your team, as long as they serve different functions.

Famous superstar combos that fit
1A Gretzky (playmaker)
1B Messier (power forward)

1A Sakic (sniper)
1B Forsberg (power forward)

1A Yzerman (sniper)
1B Federov (shutdown)

1A Crosby (playmaker)
1B Malkin (sniper)


Potential Tavares combos that fit
1A Tavares (sniper)
1B Pavelski (power forward)

1A Tavares (sniper)
1B Bergeron (shutdown)


Potential Taveres combos that don't fit
1A Stamkos (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)

1A Matthews (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)

1A Seguin (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)


Having two #1 Centers is certain advantageous, but only if they both serve different purposes. In my opinion, at least. Otherwise you're paying two people a lot of $$$ to fill the same role.

TBL is already paying a 28 year-old #1C sniper $8.5M for the next six years.
Tavares at $10M x 5 would mean they'd be paying $18.5M/yr (or roughly 25% of their cap space) to fill a single role.

TOR will be in the same position next year when it's time to re-sign Matthews. Actually, they'll be in an even worse postion, as there is no way Matthews doesn't get at least $10M.

Dallas is in the same spot as TOR next year when it's time to re-sign Seguin. Though, since Sequin is a UFA, they may convert him into some assets at the deadline... but only if they're incredibly stupid. Seguin is two years younger and has very similar per-game stats as Tavares. If signing Tavares on July 1st means no more Seguin next year, I would walk away from the table right now.

That's all just from the team's perspective. If I'm Tavares, I'm also looking at the fact that I'm 1A in BOS, SJ and NY - but 1B in TOR, DAL and TB.

I'm just not convinced that dedicating 25% of your cap to two people is the way to go to begin with, but especially not if it's for two people who both fill the same specific role on the team.

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm ready for this to be over.

I'm wondering if he will "take his talents to South Beach"

Ugh.

[Flamenspiel]

^^Well, we don't know whats happening behind the scenes, but when TB signed JT miller yesterday that brought their cap hit to $78 million. If you read between the lines on that they have given up on Taveras. Boston is also quite high up there.

If they were signing him they would getting rid of players and not adding them. My guess is they were seeing if Taveras would take less money.....Why would he?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Poe969

just be in the east. Please.

The good news: there's only a 1 in 6 chance he ends up in our division.
The bad news: that's exactly the kind of chance that the Hockey God in Charge of Hating the Flames specializes in.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

This is ridiculous. Just pick a team and do it quietly. Reminds me of the Lebron James televised TV event for leaving Cleveland a few years ago.

You do realize he can't even sign till July 1st? If it bothers you so much don't pay attention to it .

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

You do realize he can't even sign till July 1st? If it bothers you so much don't pay attention to it .

Has anyone even heard him really talking about it? It's been the talking heads that have made it such a big deal.

[bax]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You can have two superstar anythings on your team, as long as they serve different functions.

Famous superstar combos that fit
1A Gretzky (playmaker)
1B Messier (power forward)

1A Sakic (sniper)
1B Forsberg (power forward)

1A Yzerman (sniper)
1B Federov (shutdown)

1A Crosby (playmaker)
1B Malkin (sniper)


Potential Tavares combos that fit
1A Tavares (sniper)
1B Pavelski (power forward)

1A Tavares (sniper)
1B Bergeron (shutdown)


Potential Taveres combos that don't fit
1A Stamkos (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)

1A Matthews (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)

1A Seguin (sniper)
1B Tavares (sniper)


Having two #1 Centers is certain advantageous, but only if they both serve different purposes. In my opinion, at least. Otherwise you're paying two people a lot of $$$ to fill the same role.

TBL is already paying a 28 year-old #1C sniper $8.5M for the next six years.
Tavares at $10M x 5 would mean they'd be paying $18.5M/yr (or roughly 25% of their cap space) to fill a single role.

TOR will be in the same position next year when it's time to re-sign Matthews. Actually, they'll be in an even worse postion, as there is no way Matthews doesn't get at least $10M.

Dallas is in the same spot as TOR next year when it's time to re-sign Seguin. Though, since Sequin is a UFA, they may convert him into some assets at the deadline... but only if they're incredibly stupid. Seguin is two years younger and has very similar per-game stats as Tavares. If signing Tavares on July 1st means no more Seguin next year, I would walk away from the table right now.

That's all just from the team's perspective. If I'm Tavares, I'm also looking at the fact that I'm 1A in BOS, SJ and NY - but 1B in TOR, DAL and TB.

I'm just not convinced that dedicating 25% of your cap to two people is the way to go to begin with, but especially not if it's for two people who both fill the same specific role on the team.

This is a massive over-simplification and really doesn't make much sense at all.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by bax

This is a massive over-simplification and really doesn't make much sense at all.

And it's not even accurate. All of those situations are two separate roles being 1C and 2C. Paying a high price to have your 1C and 2C being elite producers is an awesome use of your team's cap.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The good news: there's only a 1 in 6 chance he ends up in our division.
The bad news: that's exactly the kind of chance that the Hockey God in Charge of Hating the Flames specializes in.

Think your math is off. It's a 50/50 chance he ends up in our division. Either he will or he wont.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

And it's not even accurate. All of those situations are two separate roles being 1C and 2C. Paying a high price to have your 1C and 2C being elite producers is an awesome use of your team's cap.

Yeah, who cares if you have two playmakers on two lines? It's not like they are keeping the puck from each other.

Not to mention that calling Crosby a playmaker and Malkin a sniper, or Tavares just a sniper (or Matthews or Seguin) is just not that accurate. Malkin always has more assists than goals and sometimes twice as many. Two seasons ago Crosby had 44 goals and 45 assists.

[jlh2640]

I still have faith that he will be with our top line.

Johnny JT Tkachuk
Bennett Monahan Lindholm
Ryan Backlund Frolik
Hathaway Jankowski Lazar
Brouwer Shore

Gio Brodie
Hanifin Hamonic
Kulak Stone
Anderson

Smith
Gillies

Perfect lineup . . . . .

I wish lol

[djsFlames]

San Jose has enough scoring in their line up. They have for a decade. Good forwards just continually fall into their lap to keep them retooling and never going full rebuild. #### them.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

San Jose has enough scoring in their line up. They have for a decade. Good forwards just continually fall into their lap to keep them retooling and never going full rebuild. #### them.

If they get Tavares I pick them to easily win the division next season.

They had 13 players with 30+ points in their line up last season. 10 of them were forwards. 13 double digit goal scorers. Lots of young guys too providing depth as Lebanc, Hertl, Tierney, Meier, Donskoi all 26 or under.

They're just a team that will never go away I guess. Their GM is just too good at his job.

[getbak]

The Lightning have arrived to make the final pitch to Tavares. Apparently, they're sweetening the pot with a minivan full of kombucha.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They're just a team that will never go away I guess. Their GM is just too good at his job.

The Flames have the misfortune to be the same division as two of the best GMs in the league - Wilson and Murray. Guys who have proven they can draft and re-tool to continuously keep their teams in the mix.

On the other hand, we're also in the same division as the bozos who manage the Oilers and Canucks, so I suppose it balances out.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

I still have faith that he will be with our top line.

Your faith is solely hitched to Hamonic's ability to sell Tavares on Calgary. He's nice guy and all, but I wouldn't hold my breath on his ability to sell much of anything. But I'm glad you have faith...

[GoJetsGo]

We really blew it in not assigning Gaudreau to follow around Tavares for his bachelor weekend just passing him things with Hamonic adding "see?"

Boom, beer.

Need a pen? Boom, pen.

How bout those sweet dishes from Johnny? A guy could get used to that.

[sureLoss]

Athletic outlines how agents/accountants help players get around the high taxes in Canada

https://theathletic.com/411211/2018/...canadian-team/

“I can make it so signing in Montreal is the same as signing in Texas,” an agent told The Athletic.

Really? Residents of Texas pay federal tax at a lower rate than Canadians and pay no state tax on their home games. That’s tough to beat, no?

“In my opinion, the tax rate can be as low, or if not very close to what it is in Texas, Las Vegas, Florida or Tennessee,” confirms Jason Chevrier, an accountant and tax advisor with an expertise in cross-border taxes. “It’s a myth that Canadian players – I say that because taxes in Ontario are higher than they are in Quebec at that tax bracket – it’s a myth to say Montreal is the worst place to play hockey. Montreal can even be one of the best places if it’s planned properly.”

There are different strategies available to players to mitigate the 53 percent tax burden in Quebec, but the most effective of those strategies is called a Retirement compensation arrangement, or an RCA.

Basically, an RCA is a mechanism to defer paying income taxes for high earners who will suffer a significant drop in revenue as soon as they retire. This is something that is available to everyone, but professional athletes are eligible for exemptions that most people don’t have available to them. Not only that, but not everyone has the same financial flexibility to contribute to an RCA as professional athletes. They are in a special category of taxpayers. In terms of hockey players, it is mainly those who will go live in a place where the tax laws are more beneficial once they retire who use an RCA. Many European players and some American residents take advantage of it, but there are still some Canadians who are already planning to retire out of the country.

The way the RCA works is a player will generally place 40 to 50 percent of his salary in a trust and that amount would be sheltered from the high tax rates in Ontario or Quebec, for example. When you put money into an RCA you don’t have access to it until you are no longer employed by the team, but it is intended for when the player has stopped playing professional hockey. Once he retires and is no longer a Canadian resident, he can withdraw that money and pay a one-time tax on it at a rate of 25 percent. In some cases, the tax rate would be even lower if the withdrawal is stretched over a longer period. Not only is it a favourable arrangement, but part of that money in the trust will have grown with interest over a few years.

The RCA can single-handedly make a huge difference and essentially eliminate the tax handicap that plagues Canadian teams.

[TheIronMaiden]

You mean that its not Notley's fault that the Flames can't sign high caliber UFAs?