[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I don't know why, Hamilton always struck me as a crazy religious zealot.

When he did that Calgary Sun poll and mentioned that Ellen DeGeneres is his hero I figured he was gay and that maybe that led to his bad time in Boston. Who knows, but I'd love to see the first NHL hockey player come out.

It would be so huge for the LQBTQ community, especially those that want to play sports, to have a role model to look up to.

[ForeverFlameFan]

One of the best parts about this deal is that Lindholm can play both C and RW. If one of Monahan or Backlund went down for 10 games, having Jankowski as your 2C probably wouldn't win you very many games. At least if one of Monahan/Backlund are injured for a few games, we have a stopgap in Lindholm for the time being until the injury is recovered.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Serapth

More to the point, why would it matter if we traded with a basement dweller? That's just stupid frankly.

If you pull a player from a top 5 team, you're more apt to find a player with artificially inflated numbers due to the quality of players they've played with. When it comes to a young player, being from a bottom dweller can be considered a good thing. Generally that means a higher level draft pick, and a higher potential runway for the player acquired, due to now player with other higher skilled players.

In short, being good on a bad team, especially while young, is basically better than being good on a good team.

Excellent point. Listening to Don Waddell discuss the trade, clearly Carolina is making a trade to make a trade, change for the sake of change.

This is exactly who you want to trade with.

Can you imagine offering the 15th pick & 2 seconds to move up to #5 to pick Hanifin 3 years ago?

The draft needs to be viewed as what it is, the ability to sign restricted free agent to a salary commensurate with their skills, abilities and experience.

It is flash and show for the future, not the present.

Hanifin is progressing at the typical rate of a dman. He’s 21. With 3 years and over 200 games of NHL experience. If someone wants to argue that Werenski or Pronorov have passed him, fine, it’s been 3 years in an incredibly strong draft.

To me that’s more like arguing over preference of alcohol, you may not be wrong, but the story isn’t finished either. Team building is as much an art as a science in the short and long term.

Hanifin is at the sane point in his career as Hamilton was 3 years ago, only he’s younger and will have the same coach for his 4th season hopefully mitigating difficulties with transition to a new team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Serapth

It's also a salary dump, opening up for a UFA signing potentially. All told, meh, I'm ok with it.

Calgary actually took on more salary, not less.


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[calgarygeologist]

I took a look at the Canes fan forum to see what they are saying about the trade. A lot of folks are very happy with the trade as they seem to have lost faith in the development process of Hanifin and Lindholm. They are excited about the size, physical play and points that both Hamilton and Ferland have put up. Some guys are saying that Peters wasn't interested in playing a physical game which may be why Ferland is gone from the Flames now. There are even some rumours and posts indicating that Lindholm may have his own attitude/dressing room issues. They don't see Lindholm as being a top six guy. It was a pretty interesting read.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

When he did that Calgary Sun poll and mentioned that Ellen DeGeneres is his hero I figured he was gay and that maybe that led to his bad time in Boston. Who knows, but I'd love to see the first NHL hockey player come out.

It would be so huge for the LQBTQ community, especially those that want to play sports, to have a role model to look up to.

I get what you’re going for here but something about assuming someone must be gay because they like Ellen is the opposite of supporting LGBT.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary actually took on more salary, not less.


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How do we know this when both players are RFA?

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

When he did that Calgary Sun poll and mentioned that Ellen DeGeneres is his hero I figured he was gay and that maybe that led to his bad time in Boston. Who knows, but I'd love to see the first NHL hockey player come out.

It would be so huge for the LQBTQ community, especially those that want to play sports, to have a role model to look up to.

If I had to put money on something it would be this. He has always been the girl whenever the team went to the children's hospital.

I doubt the old boys club of the NHL and the Texas-of-Canada Calgary area thought too highly of him for this reason.

Too bad if it is actually the case, he is a special player.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I took a look at the Canes fan forum to see what they are saying about the trade. A lot of folks are very happy with the trade as they seem to have lost faith in the development process of Hanifin and Lindholm. They are excited about the size, physical play and points that both Hamilton and Ferland have put up. Some guys are saying that Peters wasn't interested in playing a physical game which may be why Ferland is gone from the Flames now. There are even some rumours and posts indicating that Lindholm may have his own attitude/dressing room issues. They don't see Lindholm as being a top six guy. It was a pretty interesting read.

Such a thing exists?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I'm still trying to figure out what this means. "Meddle with a trade"?
He's the GM, his job is to make trades. How can he meddle with his something that he's supposed to be doing?
If you had said that to KK, I'd understand.

I think you’ve solved it. He thinks Brad Treliving is Ken King!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

If I had to put money on something it would be this. He has always been the girl whenever the team went to the children's hospital.

I doubt the old boys club of the NHL and the Texas-of-Canada Calgary area thought too highly of him for this reason.

Too bad if it is actually the case, he is a special player.

Texas of Canada? Come on.

Also look up “You Can Play” and the key members.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

If I had to put money on something it would be this. He has always been the girl whenever the team went to the children's hospital.

I doubt the old boys club of the NHL and the Texas-of-Canada Calgary area thought too highly of him for this reason.

Too bad if it is actually the case, he is a special player.

I bet it’s why they fired Burke too! Gay son and all.

[Itse]

Comments from Hurricanes fans about Lindholm and Hanifin. Very little positive for a Flames fan honestly.

TL,DR version:

- Literally no one said they'll miss Lindholm, regardless of whether they liked him or the trade.
- Hanifin apparently wasn't interested in staying in Carolina.
- Also no love for Peters in Carolina

LINDHOLM STUFF:

HANIFIN STUFF:

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by Poison

Such a thing exists?

Hfboards has a sub forum for every team

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I get what you’re going for here but something about assuming someone must be gay because they like Ellen is the opposite of supporting LGBT.

Hmm, weird. Okay fine, my bad I guess. That's certainly not my intention and not where my heart was in saying it.

I don't personally think it's unsupportive of the LGBTQ community to make an assumption that a sports star who idolizes Ellen DeGeneres may be gay, and then to jump from that to expressing hope for a player to come out of the closet.

But I sincerely apologize if I offended any gay members of the board, regardless.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Listenings to the Fan earlier I felt bad for Dougie when the cited example of him not being on the same page as his teammates was his desire to go to a museum instead of drinks. I have to assume there is more to it.

I'm hopeful the trade works out. I do think it is the right move from an asset management perspective.

[krynski]

I actually really like this trade.

My assessment:

Losing the goal production from Hamilton will hurt. We were 27th in Goals For, and losing Hamilton will not be good for this. On the other side of things though, maybe Gio had to play more defensively with Hamilton than he would have in previous seasons. -> Loss

I would much rather we trade for actual players rather than picks (and that includes the uncertainty in Fox). Some of our big trades for picks did not necessarily work out how we had hoped. -> Win

We absolutely needed to mix something up the off-season, and for me, this certainly helped. Not only did we replace Hamilton with a defence man, we also replaced Ferland with a RHS C/RW. -> Draw

Whether this is an upgrade remains to be seem. However, freeing up Brodie
for his preferred side (and maybe return to form of 3 seasons ago) is huge. Also, reports are saying Hanifin and Lindholm are a little more defensively minded. We were 19th in Goals Against, perhaps this will help. -> Win.

Peters obviously knows these players and had a huge role in this trade. The Flames have inside information, I have no doubt that these additions are positive contributors on and off the ice. It has been reported that the Flames particularly isolated these two to pursue, and I would think Peters played a big part in that. -> Win

I loved our defensive acquisitions at the time last off-season, but obviously the change last year did not turn the tide in a positive direction. This mixes up our defence, and also adds a forward who is a little more 2-way. Honestly, I respect Ferland and appreciate his contribution, but he wasn't a huge key player to this team. Whether or not we will miss Hamilton is really the kicker for me. I do think that this trade may possibly make the team better.

It remains to be seem, but I like that we actually did something and mixed it up instead of trying to use the same matchsticks in the Flames lineup.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I get what you’re going for here but something about assuming someone must be gay because they like Ellen is the opposite of supporting LGBT.

I think the opposite would be attacking gay people in the streets.

There was a tweet about how the players went to Moxies and Hamilton didn't go and went to the museum (lol intellectuals) implying it was a bad thing. It's crap like this which I think is dumb about hockey culture. First of all, Moxie's sucks, I wouldn't want to go there either. Second, not everyone is the same, and sometimes there are people who like to fly solo, or are a bit quirky. Why are these presented as character flaws.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Itse

Comments from Hurricanes fans about Lindholm and Hanifin. Very little positive for a Flames fan honestly.

TL,DR version:

- Literally no one said they'll miss Lindholm, regardless of whether they liked him or the trade.
- Hanifin apparently wasn't interested in staying in Carolina.
- Also no love for Peters in Carolina

LINDHOLM STUFF:


HANIFIN STUFF:

Whenever I read stuff like that it just makes me feel even better about the trade.

[calgarywinning]

I think this is an interesting trade. I was honestly shocked to see it was Hamilton that we were moving and Ferland part of the deal with Adam Fox.

I'd like to know if Adam Fox played his fourth year he would become a FA but would have to sign with a team on an ELC? Would the Flames recover this draft pick? This rule really can be very troublesome for teams. If Johnny refused to sign and ended up somewhere else without anything in return that would be the coulda shoulda boo hoo fest on here forever.

The next observation I had is Treliving is often working with teams which there are connections and or personal knowledge such as Arizona. How does a I deal like this get done with the same team who we just acquired the coach from? The odds seem pretty low but here we are.

To that end, what point is it looking at Carolina players stats, who as I understand spends to the cap basement or near to and managed to finish 1 less point in the win column then the Flames? That said, the Flames did pull the plug on the season causing us to finish much lower in the standings then we may have.

It would be interesting to now if Dougie and/or Ferland realize they are traded into an organization that might be the equivalent of Siberia? Do Hanifin and Lindholm feel they are being traded into Siberia? I mean getting traded to a cup contending team from either of these teams would feel better for any player.

Like the forum, I have friends that are equally split on Hamilton. Some nights he was super elite, other nights prone to defensive errors. Will never forget when we were at the St. Louis game around Christmas and I had 3 friends. One friend was running him down hard, so I started cheering so loudly for Dougie, he got a hat trick that night and by the end our whole section was laughing because I would cheer loud whenever he got the puck. I enjoyed Dougie and he was an offensive asset. He was also acquired on a very good trade by Brad Treliving.