[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This trade is growing on me. What was Hanifin’s TOI under Peters?

averaged around 20 mins a night

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Flames now have 5 players from round one of that draft. Crazy. Maybe Treliving should work out a deal to bring back Nuchishkin. Or somehow steal Mantha from Detroit.

6 actually. Monahan, Lindholm, Lazar, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Were you prepared to pay for that potential long term? With a year on his deal Ferland is likely looking to cash in on what could be his only chance at a big payday. Flames moved on which is smart. Ferland has that Bourque feel to me.

I don't think Ferland is the type to get paid and quit. I just think he's a 1.5-2m player at best, and if you pay him more than that, he stops being valuable to the team. He doesn't drive his own line, and his battering ram style of play is too intense for a real person to sustain over six months plus playoffs.

Ferland is awesome. I hope he scores 30 in Carolina. He won't but I hope he does. And I hope he gets paid. He's a beauty. But whoever pays him is going to spend the rest of that contract trying to move it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This trade is growing on me. What was Hanifin’s TOI under Peters?

AVG 18-19 minutes a night.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Were you prepared to pay for that potential long term? With a year on his deal Ferland is likely looking to cash in on what could be his only chance at a big payday. Flames moved on which is smart. Ferland has that Bourque feel to me.

Come on now. Ferland brings so many more intangibles than good ol Rene. If Ferland puts up another 20 goal season then you absolutely pay him.

As it stands now we are going to be paying Lindholm 5 a year and hes never hit 20 despite playing 125 more games than Ferland.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Hanifin's +/- rating was worse each season in Carolina. Reason to worry?
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=170298

Maybe reason to worry but it's not because of his +/- because that stat is useless.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Something else to consider: the Flames have been absolutely appalling at defending Connor McDavid since he entered the league. I don't know how much of that is on Gulutzan. I assume at least a little.

Yet I cannot help but wonder if Brad watched Dougie play McDavid for three years, look completely overmatched each time, and simply concluded that he wasn't the guy we hoped he was.

Remember, Hamilton's acquisition upstaged McDavid's draft night. Part of that was Treliving's opportunism, part of it was Chiarelli's incompetence, but another part of it was 'we need someone who can play against McDavid for the next decade'.

Whatever you want to say about Hanifin, I don't think it's arguable that he has AT LEAST as much potential as Dougie, if not more. He's a 21 year old with three NHL seasons.

Wasn't it Brodie who got torched by McDavid more often?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

6 actually. Monahan, Lindholm, Lazar, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk.

Man, two good players sandwiching a whole lotta meh.

[EVERLAST]

Bill peters must have really wanted these guys and must have did a hell of a sell job to Brad, Craig all the scouts etc.

This is like Glen getting certain players ( Bartkowski, other ex Canucks)

I guess Fox didn’t want to be here so??? Ferland ???! Wow we invested allot of time and patience into him and you don’t just replace Ferland.

Hamilton? Had unrealized potential is all I hear but I wonder.

If this team fails to at the very least compete then I’ll be upset. If they do well then I’ll obviously be happy.

I feel right now we won’t have answers until 25-30 games into the season so patience, more patience will be required of all of us in the fan base.

Watching highlights of Hanafin and Lindholm they look like decent players .

Both of these players look quick, have soft hands , hard accurate shots as well.

I like this shakeup and will wait before I criticize, condemn and complain.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

This feels like a good hockey trade all around. Any deal that has really blown up on us in the past always seems to have my initial reaction to being negative. Actually had the opposite feeling on this one. We did give up to get for sure but all around I like this for the Flames. Team clearly needed a shake up, they bring in some pieces that make sense to address some needs, and get younger in the process.

Amazing given how good Dougie’s numbers are just how indifferent I was to his departure hearing the news. Which is weird cause I do like his game. While I’ll admit I’d prefer it was Brodie, he wouldn’t get this deal done and Hanifin coming back just seems to make it even easier to swallow. Ferland is the part of the deal I like the least but I think that’s more to do with his likeable style and story than anything else.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

6 actually. Monahan, Lindholm, Lazar, Shinkaruk, Poirier, Klimchuk.

Yeah, I miscounted (I thought about all of those).

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wasn't it Brodie who got torched by McDavid more often?

It was all of them. Brodie's is the most famous, but none of the top three have been able to handle McDavid since he got into the league. It's irritating.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why on earth do people think Fox was merely a throw in? That narrative makes no sense

How isn't he a throw in? Carolina is resting on the intriguing possibility that he will sign with them, but in reality he can just spite them as he did Calgary and go on his merry way to free agency. His track record for reliability isn't in the best shape as it stands.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Only one forward who had more hits than Ferland had more goals than Ferland in the entire NHL last year.

Dustin Brown who made $6.5M last year. Ferland makes $1.75M.

Ferland is really getting thrown under the bus now that hes traded.

There really aren't many players like him in the NHL and nobody actually knows what his ceiling may be.

There are lots of players like Ferland in the league...... they just dont get top line minutes due to lack of depth on the RW like Ferland.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

How isn't he a throw in? Carolina is resting on the intriguing possibility that he will sign with them, but in reality he can just spite them as he did Calgary and go on his merry way to free agency.

Heck, he can be signed by Calgary (I think, unless there's some sort of CBA impediment).

[Jacks]

Be interesting to see a poll


1) Love it
2) Like it
3) Neutral
4) We paid too much
5) Hate it

[Wolfman]

What does Fox have left to prove in NCAA? Why not make the jump to pro? Was it because he doesn't want to play in Calgary?

[Kovaz]

I think losing Ferland is the biggest thing I'm unhappy about. IMO he was a guy that was worth more to the team than his value in a trade. Having a guy who can fill a spot in the top-6 without needing to spend a huge amount of assets and money is really valuable.

He could be a good fit on a line with some of Carolina's smaller skilled forwards like Aho or Terevainen, playing a similar role to what he did here.

I'm also very curious to see what happens with Hamilton. I think Slavin could play the Giordano role if they needed someone to babysit him in his own zone, but I doubt they break up their top pair of Slavin-Pesce. I think we'll learn in a hurry where Hamilton's defensive game is in Carolina if he's on the second pair with a mediocre partner.

[Shin Pad]

I'm not as high on Hamilton as many here are. I have liked Hanafin since he was drafted. I don't think it will hurt our D at all. I liked Ferland, but he is a bottom 6 player and would not be playing on the first line on many teams in the NHL. We have a lot of depth on D prospects so we can afford to trade Fox. Remember - he hasn't done anything at the NHL level yet. So, overall, I like the trade. I think this is an improvement for the team.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamilton is a franchise defenseman

Hanifin might be, and had better be if the Flames want to have any chance of competing in the future.

I feel so bad for Gaudreau and Monahan who have to waste away their careers until UFA

This trade brought back another talented forward, that the team severely needs. Gaudreau and Monahan are probably stoked.