[Rumour] Lebrun: CGY & CAR talked about Lindholm trade that could involve Hamilton and Hanifin

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

2? at 23 years old?

It is 7 accrued seasons or 27 years old to UFA. He already has 5 accrued seasons.

Monahan could also have been UFA at 25, so will Tkachuk

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Keep in mind we don't know how many UFA years are being bought in LeBrun's report. Lindholm is 2 years away from UFA.

That can't be right, he's been in the league 3 years, his ELC just ended.

Edit: I assume SureLoss is correct.

[dammage79]

Either way. If he wants 5 on a medium length term and Carolina doesn't want to pay that, I'm totally cool if calgary did.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That can't be right, he's been in the league 3 years, his ELC just ended.

I suggest you look that up again. He just ended a 2 year bridge deal. He has been playing in the NHL since 2013.

[Jacks]

5M would probably be OK on a 6year deal. I'm betting he could improve his numbers here with less responsibility. He would be an immediate improvement to our powerplay, can fill in on the penalty kill and is decent at face offs. Love to see him here personally depending on cost to acquire.

[btimbit]

Would immediately be our best right handed forward but the idea of giving up Hamilton, ew

[Heavy Jack]

So Hamilton is at 5.75 for 3 more years (modified NTC kicks in during the final 2 years)

For me to be comfortable with this trade I’d have to see Lindholm + + aquired and signed to a 6 or 7 year deal x 5.25 to 5.5 that would turn into a great really great contract in the second half and it would largely depend on the + +.

Lindholm at 7 x 5.5
Justin Faulk at 2 x 4.83 (contract extension considered final year)
2nd round pick

For

Hamilton
Lazar
one of our 4th round picks

Is that a fair deal?

Would still allow us to trade Brodie + Bennett package for a player like Panarin who was rumoured to have interest in Calgary before choosing Chicago.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Panarin
Ferland - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane - Dube - Foo
Brouwer

Giordano - Faulk
Stone - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson
Kylington

Smith
Gillies/Rittich

[FanIn80]

Lindholm may be asking for "north of 5M" to play in Carolina, but maybe he'd only want "north of 4M" to play with Johnny and Monny in Calgary.

(homer mode: fully engaged)

[Deegee]

Should be considering to move older defense.

Unless the Flames think they're winning it all next year, they need to consider a bold move. And no, a legitimate bold move, not the bold move™ we would see up north.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by minnow

On this video Conroy says a trade involving probably 4 players..... https://www.facebook.com/NHLFlames/v...6361135563704/

ryan leslie always comes off as a really good guy, but conroy is so likeable that he makes leslie look like a nazi.

i love that we have the gosh darn nicest guy in the league on our side.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the rumored deal were to take place (Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin) they should immediately sign both to 6 year $30,000,000 deals ($5,000,000 AAV). they would likely be steals by the half way mark of those contracts.

[Jimdon]

How many times will we watch the flames lose the best player in a trade while hoping that the parts we get back will add up to a net positive? Has that ever worked out before?

People talk about how fans over value the players on their own teams, seems to me we have the opposite problem when it comes to dougie.

A team struggling for offense trades away the NHLs top scoring defenseman and their team leader in shots for 2 non elite forwards with the hope it improves their team and hits a home run!!! Why do I cringe when I type that?

[bigrangy]

Trade our young #2D for a couple of (good) question marks and immediately sign them to contracts that they don't deserve for the modest starts to their careers so far.

6x5mil for Lindholm is a joke, he's never even broken 45 points and it's not for lack of opportunity.

Hanifin for 5 years buys 1 UFA year, he's not worth close to 5 million on that term.

Sorry for the outburst, but players are not automatically worth more because they don't play for the Flames and I think a lot of people are forgetting that.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

How many times will we watch the flames lose the best player in a trade while hoping that the parts we get back will add up to a net positive? Has that ever worked out before?

People talk about how fans over value the players on their own teams, seems to me we have the opposite problem when it comes to dougie.

A team struggling for offense trades away the NHLs top scoring defenseman and their team leader in shots for 2 non elite forwards with the hope it improves their team and hits a home run!!! Why do I cringe when I type that?

Disagree. I think everyone know full well what kind of player Dougie is. What is happening is he's a fan favorite for a lot of people and when people talk about trading him it's get the hackles up. It's not over valuing and its not under valuing, it just is a part of the off season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

So Hamilton is at 5.75 for 3 more years (modified NTC kicks in during the final 2 years)

For me to be comfortable with this trade I’d have to see Lindholm + + aquired and signed to a 6 or 7 year deal x 5.25 to 5.5 that would turn into a great really great contract in the second half and it would largely depend on the + +.

Lindholm at 7 x 5.5
Justin Faulk at 2 x 4.83 (contract extension considered final year)
2nd round pick

For

Hamilton
Lazar
one of our 4th round picks

Is that a fair deal?

Would still allow us to trade Brodie + Bennett package for a player like Panarin who was rumoured to have interest in Calgary before choosing Chicago.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Panarin
Ferland - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane - Dube - Foo
Brouwer

Giordano - Faulk
Stone - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson
Kylington

Smith
Gillies/Rittich

I don’t like it without Hanifin personally. I am completely fine if they made the speculated Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin because to me it brings in 2 decent players that hopefully have a bright future. It maybe takes the rebuild a half step back but hopefully takes the team further in the future.

I like Faulk as a player but he is a shorter term guy. If we are trading Hamilton I want a star player or something like 2 very good young players.

I would easily do the Brodie Bennett deal but only if we had an extension in place.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Disagree. I think everyone know full well what kind of player Dougie is. What is happening is he's a fan favorite for a lot of people and when people talk about trading him it's get the hackles up. It's not over valuing and its not under valuing, it just is a part of the off season.

It's not an off season issue, this talk goes year round. I also don't agree with him being a fan favorite at all, he's far more a scapegoat than he is a hero.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I'd rather keep Hamilton and make a trade like Brodie + Gillies/Rittich (whichever they prefer) for Lindholm and Fleury. Conditional 2nd round pick if we make the playoffs.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t like it without Hanifin personally. I am completely fine if they made the speculated Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin because to me it brings in 2 decent players that hopefully have a bright future. It maybe takes the rebuild a half step back but hopefully takes the team further in the future. .

Trading away an elite player for two players that hopefully have a bright future is a scary thing. Last year we were ready to win now. Now we're trading our best defenseman in the hope it makes us better in the future. Don't like it at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Trading away an elite player for two players that hopefully have a bright future is a scary thing. Last year we were ready to win now. Now we're trading our best defenseman in the hope it makes us better in the future. Don't like it at all.

Hanifin has similar potential as Hamilton and Lindholm has top 6 potential as well. This team has not been ready to compete for a cup. Hanifin and Lindholm could be good fits on Calgary now and for 5-7 years if the Flames signed them long term.

This current team has a 3 year window before Hamilton needs likely at least $8M per which is followed by trying to keep Gaudreau who will command at least $10M. I don’t think they are ready so swapping out a 25 year old for a 21 and 23 year old makes some sense to me.

I have felt since the season ended Hamilton was the guy on the outs. I prefer they find a comparable forward and make a blockbuster trade personally than the Canes deal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hanifin has similar potential as Hamilton and Lindholm has top 6 potential as well. This team has not been ready to compete for a cup. Hanifin and Lindholm could be good fits on Calgary now and for 5-7 years if the Flames signed them long term.

This current team has a 3 year window before Hamilton needs likely at least $8M per which is followed by trying to keep Gaudreau who will command at least $10M. I don’t think they are ready so swapping out a 25 year old for a 21 and 23 year old makes some sense to me.

I have felt since the season ended Hamilton was the guy on the outs. I prefer they find a comparable forward and make a blockbuster trade personally than the Canes deal.

Yeah, and the 21 and 23 year olds are high pedigree. The Flames wouldn't be trading Hamilton for some schlubbs. They were both drafted 5th overall and still have a lot of room to potentially grow.

Personally though, I'm still unsure if I'd want to see this deal go through. I'd rather add more and get them to include Skinner. Otherwise we aren't upgrading our top 6 forward group enough to offset the downgrade at D.