[Trade] Sens trade Hoffman+ to SJS for Boedker+. Sharks flip Hoffman to Florida for picks

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't really think this is true. Who besides Brouwer and waiver fodder don't/won't have contracts after they leave the Flames?

Unfortunately, Calgary has an awful record of making trades/signing FAs. Brouwer, Stajan, Hagman, Bouwmeester, R. Bourque, Wideman, Glencross, Coleborne, Versteeg, Hudler, Hiller, Jokinen, Kotalik, Cervenka, etc...

Many of these guys survived in lesser roles, but none signed any kind of big deals after leaving Calgary. A lot of people will write all of these players off as not having actual effort/talent. However, a lot of them were very promising before their Calgary tenure. Calgary has a real issue with stifling development by enforcing overly rigid offensive systems. It is not the kind of place where you go to develop an individual style of hockey.

Hoffman is really on the edge of becoming that player that demands that big contract (6 mil+). The pattern in Calgary seems to be that players like him get relegated to secondary scorer and earn a 2-3 million dollar contract post-Flames.

The only player that I can think of that did what Hoffman is trying to accomplish in Calgary is Russell.

[jlh2640]

Doug Wilson does it again

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Hoffman has been in the league for seven years now and I've never heard of any issues before. And this isn't even about him, it's about his girlfriend.

And if he was of so low character and a "cancer" in the locker room, why didn't Ottawa deal him away years ago when his value was high? Or heck, even at the trade deadline this year.

I don't find it hard to believe Hoffman was not liked in the dressing room. But there are probably two or three players on every team who aren't well liked. Get 25 co-workers in any field together and you're going to have a few loners and d-bags.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by blankall

Unfortunately, Calgary has an awful record of making trades/signing FAs. Brouwer, Stajan, Hagman, Bouwmeester, R. Bourque, Wideman, Glencross, Coleborne, Versteeg, Hudler, Hiller, Jokinen, Kotalik, Cervenka, etc...

Many of these guys survived in lesser roles, but none signed any kind of big deals after leaving Calgary. A lot of people will write all of these players off as not having actual effort/talent. However, a lot of them were very promising before their Calgary tenure. Calgary has a real issue with stifling development by enforcing overly rigid offensive systems. It is not the kind of place where you go to develop an individual style of hockey.

Hoffman is really on the edge of becoming that player that demands that big contract (6 mil+). The pattern in Calgary seems to be that players like him get relegated to secondary scorer and earn a 2-3 million dollar contract post-Flames.

The only player that I can think of that did what Hoffman is trying to accomplish in Calgary is Russell.

A lot of those players peaked in Calgary and then crashed. Calgary didn't kill them - it gave them a false sense of greatness. Bourque, Colborne, Glencross, Hudler... Others were already past it or no good to begin with.

[jlh2640]

Its to bad really before all this garbage I would have liked to give up what San Jose gave up to get him

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don't find it hard to believe Hoffman was not liked in the dressing room. But there are probably two or three players on every team who isn't well liked. Get 25 co-workers in any field together and you're going to have a few loners and d-bags.

Sure but the premise was he's a "cancer". And there was a tweet about no one liking him.


That just doesn't make sense to me. If it's a few guys, no problem, but otherwise they would've traded him long ago and get fair value.

[DoubleK]

Florida's top 6 is pretty damn good.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

A lot of those players peaked in Calgary and then crashed. Calgary didn't kill them - it gave them a false sense of greatness. Bourque, Colborne, Glencross, Hudler... Others were already past it or no good to begin with.

Yeah, I'm not sure how getting the best years out of some of those guys is a black mark against Calgary. You could also say that Iginla and Reg were never the same after Calgary.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

A lot of those players peaked in Calgary and then crashed. Calgary didn't kill them - it gave them a false sense of greatness. Bourque, Colborne, Glencross, Hudler... Others were already past it or no good to begin with.

I don't disagree with you, but it seems to happen a lot in Calgary. A lot of that may be due to our former scouting staff/GMs talent analysis too. We paid a lot of solid futures for players that turned out to be only borderline NHLers. Either way, from on outsiders view, I can see why Calgary might be becoming a questionable destination. And how many coaching systems have we seen where players are limited to shooting directly into a goalies chest?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Doug Wilson does it again

Yeah. Basically picking up some picks and cap space for free.

Deal makes little sense for Ottawa. Even if they wanted players vs picks, those picks would have been much better as currency to acquire better than what they got.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Unfortunately, Calgary has an awful record of making trades/signing FAs. Brouwer, Stajan, Hagman, Bouwmeester, R. Bourque, Wideman, Glencross, Coleborne, Versteeg, Hudler, Hiller, Jokinen, Kotalik, Cervenka, etc...

It's pretty hard to look at that list and see a pattern. Boruwer was a UFA mistake but a fairly understandable one. Stajan was part of a huge package deal along with Hagman. Jaybo was a trade for rights and sign and certainly hasn't had a bad career since leaving. Bourque was traded for good value. Wideman was on and off, Glencross was a great pickup, Colborne only cost a 4th rounder and was worth that at the very least, and then was let go at just the right time. Versteeg was a PTO signing (stolen from Edmonton, so a double victory) and did just fine. Hudler was a great acquisition who fit in perfectly. Hiller was great for one year and then not great.

You didn't mention Frolik, Hamilton, Smith, Engelland...

[djsFlames]

Before we get green with envy around here let's just wait and see what treliving does to address our scoring needs first. I don't care for off ice drama and would've taken him here but oh well, there are other good options on the block/market so well see.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's pretty hard to look at that list and see a pattern. Boruwer was a UFA mistake but a fairly understandable one. Stajan was part of a huge package deal along with Hagman. Jaybo was a trade for rights and sign and certainly hasn't had a bad career since leaving. Bourque was traded for good value. Wideman was on and off, Glencross was a great pickup, Colborne only cost a 4th rounder and was worth that at the very least, and then was let go at just the right time. Versteeg was a PTO signing (stolen from Edmonton, so a double victory) and did just fine. Hudler was a great acquisition who fit in perfectly. Hiller was great for one year and then not great.

You didn't mention Frolik, Hamilton, Smith, Engelland...

Yeah. Bourque, Glencross, Versteeg, Hudler and Colborne simply do not belong on Blankall's list. They were all moves that exceeded cost to acquire.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Hoffman has been in the league for seven years now

Actually, it's only been four full seasons.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah. Bourque, Glencross, Versteeg, Hudler and Colborne simply do not belong on Blankall's list. They were all moves that exceeded cost to acquire.

And were cut loose (well, we'll see about Versteeg) at just the right time. See also Russell.

[Brad Marsh]

I'm not too upset it wasn't Calgary landing Hoffman, even though he would have filled a desperate scoring need, and even though I voted for him as my choice for top 6 acquisition, but the character and locker room risks are too great. No problem "missing out" on that.

But boy did San Jose make out well here. Cap space and some additional draft picks without really taking away from their roster.

I think this is where the sting is mostly. Wouldn't it have nice to see Calgary in the center of a deal like this today, freeing up cap space and recouping some draft picks?

For me, I'm not critical of Treliving for not landing Hoffman, but I feel like Wilson just schooled 30 other GMs.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Florida's top 6 is pretty damn good.

If he wasn't in Florida, Barkov would and should be considered a top 5 center, IMO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's a matter of degree. The players in those cities might have a mic stuck in their face by the two local hockey reporters when things go wrong. In Calgary or Toronto it's 6 or 12 or 15 reporters jamming a mic in their faces. All the time, win or lose.

Then there's public recognition. Players in Tampa Bay can still go a nightclub or to a restaurant without being noticed and having their picture taken. Not so in Calgary or Toronto.

No kidding...Tampa either contends or totally tanks and gets a top pick. In the years they suck people just ignore them...in Canada guys are run out of town for a bad season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

I'm not too upset it wasn't Calgary landing Hoffman, even though he would have filled a desperate scoring need, and even though I voted for him as my choice for top 6 acquisition, but the character and locker room risks are too great. No problem "missing out" on that.

But boy did San Jose make out well here. Cap space and some additional draft picks without really taking away from their roster.

I think this is where the sting is mostly. Wouldn't it have nice to see Calgary in the center of a deal like this today, freeing up cap space and recouping some draft picks?

For me, I'm not critical of Treliving for not landing Hoffman, but I feel like Wilson just schooled 30 other GMs.

NO TRADE LIST

He schooled them largely because of geography

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

If he wasn't in Florida, Barkov would and should be considered a top 5 center, IMO.

He's good but I have at least Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Matthews, McDavid, Bergeron, and Scheifle, ahead, and probably Mackinnon, Kopitar, Eichel, Giroux, Stamkos, Kuznetsov and Seguin as well.

No doubt, however, he's going to pass a bunch of those in the next three years.