2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

But it wouldnt be futures. I think if Tre wants that deal. He waits until the MTL pick and then pulls the trigger to pair up the brothers.

Tkachuk IS futures because he doesn't help as much now as Hamilton would. He might not even make the NHL next year. That's why he is considered futures.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hamilton for the #3 doesn't really make much sense to me. And I'd love to land another Tkachuk. Just don't see how that improves the team.

Now if the price were Brodie, Ferland and a pick? Maybe

I think Dougie has even more to give this year. But there is no way Brodie and Ferland gets you Tkachuk. The Canucks gave up Schneider to land Horvat. As far as I can remember, if you want a top 5 pick, the player needs to be a top end player to get it done.

[squirtle]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Wonder how Dougie would feel watching his bro shipped off and then they go and get Brady.

He'd understand considering freddie is not a potential 3rd overall pick

[Barca]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I like Wahlstrom pretty much more than anyone else not named Svechnikov.

If there was some sort of miracle that could happen for the Flames to land Wahlstrom, please allow this to happen. Oh Hockey Gods, I pray to thee.

I honestly see ton of Jeremy Roenick in Wahlstrom. But faster.

I agree, it's a tie between him and Zadina as the best forward in the draft for me (aside from Svech lol). both are pure goal scorers any team will be extremely lucky to land.

[SuperMatt18]

Think the Flames would want more than just the 3rd overall for Dougie. Personally I’d want 3 and Gallagher to do it.

At 3 the Flames could want Zadina over Tkachuk anyways. We have a Tkachuk but could use an elite sniper type.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think the Flames would want more than just the 3rd overall for Dougie. Personally I’d want 3 and Gallagher to do it.

At 3 the Flames could want Zadina over Tkachuk anyways. We have a Tkachuk but could use an elite sniper type.

Wahlstrom, we don't need to go as high as #3. ARZ, OTT, DET.

[Royle9]

So jumping on the Dougie for 3rd *out of left field* idea:

Dougie for 3rd OA + A level prospect IMO minimum

Then we flip the 3rd OA for the 7th-9th OA to get Wahlstrom and then dropping 4+ spots has to get you a solid add from a team looking to say get 3rd for Zadina or Tkachuk??

Would be fun to see what that could get you at the end of the day, mind you giving up Dougie is pretty big in itself and likely not the BEST move. Still would be really interesting to see what we could land if something like that pan'd out.

Almost EA NHL 18 trade funsies.

[dammage79]

IF MTL was so desperate for a center. Why would they take Hamilton and not say ohhhhh a locked in Mikael Backlund? Seems like that is what would get Bergevin to flinch on a trigger.

[squirtle]

Why are we trading dougie again? He's exactly what we need..

He's young, big, can shoot, right shot, signed long term on a good contract, puts up 40-50pts, skates well and wants to be in Calgary.

Oh right..because magic beans!!!

[Jiri Hrdina]

What would we hilarious is if the Flames make a big move to get #3...

...And then don't draft Tkachuk.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What would we hilarious is if the Flames make a big move to get #3...

...And then don't draft Tkachuk.

That would be bizarre.

The whole idea of trading into the top 5 with where we're at doesn't really make much sense. Hard to imagine such a move improving the team now and likely it would involve worsening the team in the short term. But it is draft week and I get that the idea of two Tkachuks is pretty tempting to some of us. Imagine a Tkachuk on each of the top two lines! Or a line with a Tkachuk on each wing!

But yeah overall it doesn't really make much sense.

Treliving does have a big history of making serious moves at the draft. While I don't think dealing into the top 5 or 10 will be one of them I'd be shocked if he didn't do something. More likely moves IMO would be...

1. Dealing a dman for a top 6 forward
2. Dealing something for picks in the 2nd or 3rd round

Especially interesting will be to watch if anything brews between CAR and CGY. We do have an expert on CAR players in our new coach and they are ripe to be pilfered from with their owner and new GM. Bergevin of course is looking like a easy mark as he seems to be making desperation trades year after year.

Should be fascinating.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think the Flames would want more than just the 3rd overall for Dougie. Personally I’d want 3 and Gallagher to do it.

At 3 the Flames could want Zadina over Tkachuk anyways. We have a Tkachuk but could use an elite sniper type.

What about 3rd overall and Pacioretty?

Proabably too much from the Habs.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by squirtle

He'd understand considering freddie is not a potential 3rd overall pick

How dare you diss brother Freddie

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

On Tim and Sid just now:

Bergevin shopping the 3rd overall.

Wonder how hard he'd be shopping it. In most years you can rely on getting a potential #1 centre in the top 3 but this year may not be the best year to fill that role. Only Kotkaniemi looks like a potential top centre and if the Habs are not big believers in him trading down or away does make some sense. Sucks to pick #3 in a draft where the scouts see a drop-off after #2.

That said given that several of their core pieces up front are average to below average sized forwards if they do stay there Brady Tkachuk looks like a good compliment to what they already have. But again he's not a C and they seem to have a dire, dire need for centres.

What on earth is Bergeron doing there? Do they even have a top 3 line centre at the moment? Will Max Domi be their #1 centre? In a league where C is the most important forward position the Habs seem to have missed the memo. I'm not a big advocate of trading Jankowski or Bennett but the Habs may be a team that actually might make a tempting offer for one of them just due to their desperation and Bergeron's willingness to take chances on young forwards with high upsides (paid a big price for Drouin and Domi.)

If you could get the #3 for Janko+ or Bennett+ would the Flames be interested? What would the + be?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Wonder how hard he'd be shopping it. In most years you can rely on getting a potential #1 centre in the top 3 but this year may not be the best year to fill that role. Only Kotkaniemi looks like a potential top centre and if the Habs are not big believers in him trading down or away does make some sense. Sucks to pick #3 in a draft where the scouts see a drop-off after #2.

That said given that several of their core pieces up front are average to below average sized forwards if they do stay there Brady Tkachuk looks like a good compliment to what they already have. But again he's not a C and they seem to have a dire, dire need for centres.

What on earth is Bergeron doing there? Do they even have a top 3 line centre at the moment? Will Max Domi be their #1 centre? In a league where C is the most important forward position the Habs seem to have missed the memo. I'm not a big advocate of trading Jankowski or Bennett but the Habs may be a team that actually might make a tempting offer for one of them just due to their desperation and Bergeron's willingness to take chances on young forwards with high upsides (paid a big price for Drouin and Domi.)

Yeah, now that you put it that way, Hamilton for 3rd overall is an absolute no-go for this draft IMO.

You're trading a 24 year old top pairing right shot defenseman for a magic bean that you HOPE turns into a top line winger. Like you said, maybe it could be considered if there was a high end center prospect available up there. But if there was Montreal would probably keep the pick.

Montreal definitely adds, and a fair bit IMO.

[bigrangy]

Even if Zadina or Tkachuk hit their ceilings, they project to be like Phil Kessel good at best.

I wouldn't trade 24 yo Dougie for 18 yo Kessel, let alone a guy who's not even a lock to be that good.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Wonder how hard he'd be shopping it. In most years you can rely on getting a potential #1 centre in the top 3 but this year may not be the best year to fill that role. Only Kotkaniemi looks like a potential top centre and if the Habs are not big believers in him trading down or away does make some sense. Sucks to pick #3 in a draft where the scouts see a drop-off after #2.

That said given that several of their core pieces up front are average to below average sized forwards if they do stay there Brady Tkachuk looks like a good compliment to what they already have. But again he's not a C and they seem to have a dire, dire need for centres.

What on earth is Bergeron doing there? Do they even have a top 3 line centre at the moment? Will Max Domi be their #1 centre? In a league where C is the most important forward position the Habs seem to have missed the memo. I'm not a big advocate of trading Jankowski or Bennett but the Habs may be a team that actually might make a tempting offer for one of them just due to their desperation and Bergeron's willingness to take chances on young forwards with high upsides (paid a big price for Drouin and Domi.)

If you could get the #3 for Janko+ or Bennett+ would the Flames be interested? What would the + be?

I think you're dreaming if you think the Habs make those trades. The only trades I can remember where a top 10 pick was traded for a player was:
Stepan and Raanta for 7.
Schneider for 9.
J.Staal for 8.

Those trades were all for cornerstone pieces. Or at least the team receiving them thought they were. The Habs are going to want a top 2 D, #1 goalie or #1a/b center. We are all dreaming if we think a top 5 pick can be had for Brodie, Bennett, Janko, Backlund...

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[theslymonkey]

The Flames really only have four pieces that land you that pick. Monahan, Johnny, Tkachuk or Dougie. Any less and they make that pick.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

If Treliving does make a trade for a forward I think it will be a name that many will feel is underwhelming. I think everyone is after the next Karlsson in Vegas. Looking for that hidden gem that just hasn't been given the opportunity to play a bigger role.

In fact the Flames did a move like this many years ago. When Marc Savard was acquired he was playing behind some big names in New York but still put decent numbers (relative to the era).
It seems to me most people on here are looking for that big name forward but I'd love to find that gem like a Savard - trouble is most teams are looking to do the same.

Also the Flames' pro scouting hasn't really inspired that kind of confidence judged on the pro players they've acquired in recent history.
Hopefully it means they're due.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Sucks to pick #3 in a draft where the scouts see a drop-off after #2.

When Washington won the lottery and were able to get Ovie, with Malkin falling to the Penguins, the Hawks were left with Cam Barker, the consensus #3 pick, who eventually flamed out.

But the Hawks picked up Toews the next year, and won the draft lottery the next year to pick Kane,so it eventually worked out for them obviously.