2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Ryan is likely to decline given his age, but he is not the same as Brouwer. His possession numbers are actually strong.

We could do a lot worse.

That's true. They were very strong in 17-18 but some caveats include: playing with Jeff Skinner, against weaker than average opposition, with lots of OZS, and he was a lot worse in 2016-17 (0.1 CF Rel% and -1.4 FF Rel%).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree no shot he is literally bought out but I disagree he could go for picks. I think any team trading for a $6M winger coming off 35pts is looking to move money back in the trade.

I get he had only 35 points last year, but he brings so much to the table in other ways. He can easily slot into a shut down role on a top line. He had his career high in shots last year (237) while posting his career low in shooting % (7.6%, first time below 10%). He also had a 56.6% Corsi %.

I believe a number of teams would trade draft picks for him without sending material money his way.

Not that's a difficult statement to prove obviously, but in any event, he won't be bought out.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Nelson

That's true. They were very strong in 17-18 but some caveats include: playing with Jeff Skinner, against weaker than average opposition, with lots of OZS, and he was a lot worse in 2016-17 (0.1 CF Rel% and -1.4 FF Rel%).

The other thing about Ryan is that he is relatively low mileage. 4 years at the U of A probably means he doesn't have those hard miles that other 31 year olds have. Probably a good bet to join us given the Peters connection.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Don't mind Ryan if he is only offered a 2 year contract. Otherwise, we are going to have another Brouwer 2.0 kind of contract that is going to bother the hell out of us in the future.

Do we really need to acquire another bottom 6 center though? We have Jankowski and Shore. Jankowski will only get better through growing pains, and Shore looks like our next 1-2 year option as the 4th line C.

[GreenLantern2814]

26th in GF, 19th in GA. Haven't been higher than 3rd in the division in six years.

Clearly, the solution is bottom-6 forward additions via free agency (from one of the few teams more irrelevant than ours no less). See you all in 14-18th place.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

26th in GF, 19th in GA. Haven't been higher than 3rd in the division in six years.

Clearly, the solution is bottom-6 forward additions via free agency (from one of the few teams more irrelevant than ours no less). See you all in 14-18th place.

More bottom six scoring surely couldn't hurt. I'd go so far as to say that getting good production out of the third line could have a bigger impact than adding a RW on the top line.

I suppose one could do both by moving Ferland down if you added a Kessel, but unless the top RW scores more than 25, I think the difference is negligible on the top line.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

More bottom six scoring surely couldn't hurt. I'd go so far as to say that getting good production out of the third line could have a bigger impact than adding a RW on the top line.

I suppose one could do both by moving Ferland down if you added a Kessel, but unless the top RW scores more than 25, I think the difference is negligible on the top line.

I think that is why many are hoping for a top 2 line centre to be added. Opposed to adding bottom 6 players the Flames would be better off adding to the top 6 and pushing guys like Backlund and Frolik down to the third line.

I think a top line RW would be a nice add but I would also be okay finding a player to play with Tkachuk on the second line with either Bennett or Jankowski filling in as the other winger/centre.

If the Flames added RoR the top line stays the same and Tkachuk-Bennett play on O’Rielly’s line. Maybe even Jankowski and Bennett/Ferland could be paired with Tkachuk to form a second line if the Flames add a top line RW and Ferland/Bennett plays with Backlund-Frolik?

I think the Flames are far better suited to add players to the top 6 and that can play on the powerplay and move their own players down rather than add to the bottom 6.

One mistake Treliving made last year was banking on guys like Bennett, Brouwer, Lazar to have better years and hoping Foo, Poirer, Shinkaruk etc would push for spots. I think he saw in camp that wasn’t going to happen which lead to the Jagr signing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

26th in GF, 19th in GA. Haven't been higher than 3rd in the division in six years.

Clearly, the solution is bottom-6 forward additions via free agency (from one of the few teams more irrelevant than ours no less). See you all in 14-18th place.

Yeah because thats what we're saying. Derek Ryan is THE solution.

Did you know Ryan's 38 points last year would have made him the 6th highest scoring forward on the Flames roster? 13 points ahead of 7th place too. His 15 goals would have been 7th highest goal scoring forward on the Flames last year.

The Flames bottom six was an absolute disaster last season. I'm all for acquiring top 6 players as well, that push guys down the line up. But it doesn't hurt to make improvements anywhere you can.

[Harry Lime]

Half of Ryan's points were because Skinner was bouncing the puck in off of the side of his head. They had to switch sides on the powerplay because Ryan was beginning to lose the ability to turn left. If we put him on the top line, it pushes Backlund to the third, which is the ultimate goal.

I'm also wondering if with the signing of Hogstrom, if bets arn't being hedged for the possible moving of Brodie. Looking at the highlights of Hogstrom, he seems vaguely Englland-like.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

More bottom six scoring surely couldn't hurt. I'd go so far as to say that getting good production out of the third line could have a bigger impact than adding a RW on the top line.

I suppose one could do both by moving Ferland down if you added a Kessel, but unless the top RW scores more than 25, I think the difference is negligible on the top line.

Interesting point. Its true that the Flames top line produced well all season. Similarly, depth scoring was a chronic issue all year long. I think that what the Flames need is two "offensive" lines, and two "defensive" lines. An aspect of the flames struggles with depth scoring was that their second "offensive" line (3M line) was also the number one PK unit. Also, the 3M line took more defensive zone starts than a secondary scoring threat should.

I know that a big scoring acquisition would solve this problem. Likewise, scoring depth would also help the Flames dramatically. Not only in terms of overall point production. But also in terms of line implementation and strategy.

[iloveicedhockey]

Friedman suggesting that OEL no longer on the market, hinting that he probably has a verbal agreement in place before signing on July 1. Will be interesting to see the number.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Friedman suggesting that OEL no longer on the market, hinting that he probably has a verbal agreement in place before signing on July 1. Will be interesting to see the number.

Rumored offer was 8.25x8

This helps the Flames as it takes a big D trade chip off the market.

[Vinny01]

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1551391

The Score speculates where the top 10 trade targets go.

Flames related. Hoffman for 2020 2nd, Bennett, Andersson

Personally I would hate that deal

[blender]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Rumored offer was 8.25x8

This helps the Flames as it takes a big D trade chip off the market.

And makes Brodie's deal look very attractive as a trade option.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1551391

The Score speculates where the top 10 trade targets go.

Flames related. Hoffman for 2020 2nd, Bennett, Andersson

Personally I would hate that deal

Way too much.

I think of all the defence prospects the Flames have, Andersson is the one least-likely to get traded.

If Hoffman is acquired, I see Stone going to Ottawa in the package.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by getbak

Way too much.

I think of all the defence prospects the Flames have, Andersson is the one least-likely to get traded.

If Hoffman is acquired, I see Stone going to Ottawa in the package.

I would think Bennett and Stone should be enough. Even then I am one of those guys that does not want to trade Bennett until we see him play for the new coaching staff as I feel he just didn’t work with Gulutzan

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would think Bennett and Stone should be enough. Even then I am one of those guys that does not want to trade Bennett until we see him play for the new coaching staff as I feel he just didn’t work with Gulutzan

Brodie + Stone

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bongsong

Brodie + Stone

Imo Brodie straight up is plenty for Hoffman. I would even want the Sens to add a little. Maybe Hoffman+Ceci for Brodie and Stone?

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Imo Brodie straight up is plenty for Hoffman. I would even want the Sens to add a little. Maybe Hoffman+Ceci for Brodie and Stone?

I could deal with that than flip Ceci for something to get Anderson in the lineup

[oldschoolcalgary]

i like Hoffman, but i would agree that anything more than Brodie straight up is too much...

Bennett + Kylington/Fox