[News] Marek - recent 1st round pick unlikely to play in NHL due to video game addiction

[Kiran403]

But by that logic, is golf a sport? You can be in any shape, old or young and still play golf. What makes pro golfers respected athletes? They put in a ton of time practicing and refining their game but is that any different from video gamers?

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Playing video games isn't a sport. It's playing video games. You can make an argument it is but then you could make the same argument for anything then. Just because you need good reflexes, doesn't mean it's a sport, you need good reflexes to flip a coin so does that make that a sport too?

The "sport - not a sport" debate completely misses the point. It's an arbitrary label. Do you watch hockey because it qualifies as a sport? Or because it's fast-paced and entertaining?

At the end of the day, any competition where:

• Player showcase some sort of skill or ability against one another
• The player who shows superior skill or ability generally wins
• People enjoy watching

is as legitimate as any other. That coin flipping example is an absurd strawman - nobody is saying "reflexes > 0 => sport"

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

Must be impressive. Having been to porn competitions, I am absolutely confident that I do not have what it takes to turn pro. Utterly amazing what the human body can do.

Did you lack the fluid...ity?

[Samonadreau]

Nm wt

[gonzo29]

Originally Posted by Kiran403

But by that logic, is golf a sport? You can be in any shape, old or young and still play golf. What makes pro golfers respected athletes? They put in a ton of time practicing and refining their game but is that any different from video gamers?

You can be old or young and in almost any shape and still play a lot of sports. If you want to play it well, being in good (or great) physical condition is needed. There are some exceptions, but nearly all of the top golfers in the world are in fantastic shape. Strength, flexibility, and extreme coordination is a prerequisite for any tour-pro level golfer. Not really comparable to video gamers imo.

[Poe969]

The way sureLoss breaks news around here, he has to be in consideration for athlete of the year!

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by gonzo29

You can be old or young and in almost any shape and still play a lot of sports. If you want to play it well, being in good (or great) physical condition is needed. There are some exceptions, but nearly all of the top golfers in the world are in fantastic shape. Strength, flexibility, and extreme coordination is a prerequisite for any tour-pro level golfer. Not really comparable to video gamers imo.

I don't follow pro-gaming but I'm pretty sure you need to be young. Once you hit a certain age (like mid-20s I think) your career is over because you don't have the reflexes anymore.

And most pro-gamers I have seen aren't built but they tend to be lean and in shape. You don't see many like the guy from South Park playing Warcraft.

This is also just the beginning of professional gaming. Look at golf, baseball, hockey when it was just starting pro leagues. A lot of those players were out of shape, fat, disgusting slobs.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Please tell me we’re not comparing professional gaming to professional sports. Gaming is not a sport, you are literally sitting down at a desk.

And for those making the golf argument as not being a sport, at least those guys are getting in their 10,000 steps a day. Seriously though a lot of the guys on tour nowadays have pretty strict workout routines and they’re in fantastic shape.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Please tell me we’re not comparing professional gaming to professional sports. Gaming is not a sport, you are literally sitting down at a desk.

And for those making the golf argument as not being a sport, at least those guys are getting in their 10,000 steps a day. Seriously though a lot of the guys on tour nowadays have pretty strict workout routines and they’re in fantastic shape.

sport

spôrt/
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

I mean... it technically is a sport, just not the amount of physical exertion we associate with it.

I would go as far to say that a lot of E-Sports demonstrate a lot more skill and competition than Golf.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Split98

sport

spôrt/
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

I mean... it technically is a sport, just not the amount of physical exertion we associate with it.

I would go as far to say that a lot of E-Sports demonstrate a lot more skill and competition than Golf.

Okay, the fact that you can compare different forms of physical competition to other types of physical competion to each other is what lumps them all under the same category as "sports". The fact that for gaming you have to give at qualifier when trying to describe it (the "e" in e-sport) essentially separates it from comparison to other activities catagorized as sports. Can you name another activity that would fall into the "e-sport" category? VLTs? The fact that it is separated into its own category pretty much tells you all you need to know. E-sports is a buzz word. That is all.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Okay, the fact that you can compare different forms of physical competition to other types of physical competion to each other is what lumps them all under the same category as "sports". The fact that for gaming you have to give at qualifier when trying to describe it (the "e" in e-sport) essentially separates it from comparison to other activities catagorized as sports. Can you name another activity that would fall into the "e-sport" category? VLTs? The fact that it is separated into its own category pretty much tells you all you need to know. E-sports is a buzz word. That is all.

Ehhh, no not really. E-Sports is really just identifying a different group of Sports. There's no predominant game they're playing - so it can't be named that.

It's like saying Extreme Sports aren't sports.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Playing video games isn't a sport. It's playing video games. You can make an argument it is but then you could make the same argument for anything then. Just because you need good reflexes, doesn't mean it's a sport, you need good reflexes to flip a coin so does that make that a sport too?

The millions of people who play, watch and sponsor events call it sports, so I guess that makes it a sport.



Some people call it "sport fishing" yet when I go fishing, calling it a sport is the last thing I would do, but here we are.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Split98

Ehhh, no not really. E-Sports is really just identifying a different group of Sports. There's no predominant game they're playing - so it can't be named that.

It's like saying Extreme Sports aren't sports.

Cool.

Hang gliding, bungie jumping, base jumping, parasailing....

Your turn. Name another e-sport.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Cool.

Hang gliding, bungie jumping, base jumping, parasailing....

Your turn. Name another e-sport.

Hang gliding - Not a sport. I've flown in planes, that doesn't make me an athlete either.

Bungie/base jumping - Not a sport. I've jumped off a garage roof when I was 12. Doesn't make me an athelete.

Parasailing - Getting pulled behind a boat isn't a sport. It's a ride that you can pay some minimum wage person to do.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The millions of people who play, watch and sponsor events call it sports, so I guess that makes it a sport.

From wiki:

In 2013, it was estimated that approximately 71.5 million people worldwide watched eSports.

So less then 1% of the world's population. Hardly what I would call a quorum.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Hang gliding - Not a sport. I've flown in planes, that doesn't make me an athlete either.

Bungie/base jumping - Not a sport. I've jumped off a garage roof when I was 12. Doesn't make me an athelete.

Parasailing - Getting pulled behind a boat isn't a sport. It's a ride that you can pay some minimum wage person to do.

Okay, a few bad examples while I was parked at a red light.
Ski jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, wake boarding...

How's your list comming?

[Split98]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Cool.

Hang gliding, bungie jumping, base jumping, parasailing....

Your turn. Name another e-sport.

You have a really strange way of conversing...

What I was saying is that adding anything to 'sport' doesn't nullify it as a sport, which was your argument:

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Okay, the fact that you can compare different forms of physical competition to other types of physical competion to each other is what lumps them all under the same category as "sports". The fact that for gaming you have to give at qualifier when trying to describe it (the "e" in e-sport) essentially separates it from comparison to other activities catagorized as sports. Can you name another activity that would fall into the "e-sport" category? VLTs? The fact that it is separated into its own category pretty much tells you all you need to know. E-sports is a buzz word. That is all.

I agree that all you listed are sports... that was my point.

I'm not the biggest E-Sports guy, so I'd be Googling to support a point I don't really care all that much about. By the broad strokes we qualify 'sports', I personally don't see how we tell E-Sports fans that it isn't.

We have track, ice, rink, motor, extreme, indoor, outdoor, roller... all kinds of sport categories. Ice Dancing, Curling, Golf, Speedwalking, the like are all sports. You can all roll your eyes at anyone from E-Sports or Speedwalking telling us their sporting stories all you want, but I have a pretty hard time watching some E-Sports stuff and deciding that Olympic Speedwalker is a better athlete.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Okay, a few bad examples while I was parked at a red light.
Ski jumping, sky diving, snowboarding, wake boarding...

How's your list comming?

I don't follow esports, but since you're kind of a dick about it.

I believe hockey, soccer, football, fortnite, league of legends, rocket league are all popular esports.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Split98

You have a really strange way of conversing...

What I was saying is that adding anything to 'sport' doesn't nullify it as a sport, which was your argument:


I agree that all you listed are sports... that was my point.

I'm not the biggest E-Sports guy, so I'd be Googling to support a point I don't really care all that much about. By the broad strokes we qualify 'sports', I personally don't see how we tell E-Sports fans that it isn't.

We have track, ice, rink, motor, extreme, indoor, outdoor, roller... all kinds of sport categories. Ice Dancing, Curling, Golf, Speedwalking, the like are all sports. You can all roll your eyes at anyone from E-Sports or Speedwalking telling us their sporting stories all you want, but I have a pretty hard time watching some E-Sports stuff and deciding that Olympic Speedwalker is a better athlete.

My point is that you can use all those catagories to group types of sports together. Not so with "e-sports". It is a category that separates it from other sports,and to which no other sports applies. Which is why I am asking for another example of an e-sport. If there is no other sports that can apply to that category, why is there a category? More aptly, if it can't be compared to other sports, is it a sport?

You can quibble over what to call it, but a sport it is not, no matter how many people (short of a majority) choose to call it that.

I love vids. I think that people that make money doing it have a good thing going. I wish it was a thing when I was racking up 1000 trick combos in THPS2. But again, I think e-sports is a buzz word, nothing more..

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

My point is that you can use all those catagories to group types of sports together. Not so with "e-sports". It is a category that separates it from other sports,and to which no other sports applies. Which is why I am asking for another example of an e-sport. If there is no other sports that can apply to that category, why is there a category? More aptly, if it can't be compared to other sports, is it a sport?

You can quivel over what to call it, but a sport it is not, no matter how many people (short of a majority) choose to call it that.

I love vids. I think that people that make money doing it have a good thing going. I wish it was a thing when I was racking up 1000 trick combos in THPS2. But again, I think e-sports is a buzz word, nothing more..

"quibble"