2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Tkachuk-Tavares-Bennett

My concern with that is that Tavares would have to spend way too much time in scrums post-whistle.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

As per Sureloss in the Draft thread, "Conroy on 960 says it is probably 60/40 they acquire more picks for the draft."

I'm curious if the team is trying to get back into the first round, or just looking to recoup a few picks in general.

If Flames don’t acquire picks this draft, that will be a total of 1 pick in the top 3 rounds of the 2017 and 2018 drafts.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There are none.

There's just the baseless yet fun speculation that he might want to play in Canada and that Hamonic is his close buddy who may already be planting seeds!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Flames don’t acquire picks this draft, that will be a total of 1 pick in the top 3 rounds of the 2017 and 2018 drafts.

Yes, but they picked in the top 3 rounds 10 times in the 2014/15/16 drafts, and traded three more 2015 top 3 round picks for a 21 year old (at the time) Dougie Hamilton.

Too bad the top 3 round picks from 2014 were wasted on Bennett, McDonald, Hunter Smith and Hickey.

Hopefully Andersson, Kylington, Dube, Fox and Parsons pan out better than the 2014 class.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would say that Mangiapane, Phillips and Ruzicka all fulfill this criterion as gambles on “high end skill.”

While I agree that these are skilled prospects, would like to see more gambling on high end skill guys and not limited to one per draft. Example - Ty Ronning just scored 60+ goals in the dub (yes, an overager) but we picked Stepan Falkovsky (yes, that Stepan Falkovsky) in the 7th round of 2016 when Ronning (a RH shot C/RW) was available. Then we don't offer a bona fide contract to Falkovsky making that a blown pick.

The likelihood of these later picks making it is still slim but if they do, you really reap the reward. Would like to see more Ronning like players picked over guys like Mitchell Mattson, Linus Lindstrom, Riley Bruce and yes, Stepan Falkovsky as we need more skill in the mix.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes, but they picked in the top 3 rounds 10 times in the 2014/15/16 drafts, and traded three more 2015 top 3 round picks for a 21 year old (at the time) Dougie Hamilton.

Too bad the top 3 round picks from 2014 were wasted on Bennett, McDonald, Hunter Smith and Hickey.

Hopefully Andersson, Kylington, Dube, Fox and Parsons pan out better than the 2014 class.

One of these is not like the others, jeepers.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

One of these is not like the others, jeepers.

Bennett? Since he's the only one thats actually made it haha
Ugh it hurts not seeing Point there

[CalgaryFan1988]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/news...ocid=DELLDHP17

Montreal writers seem to think Pacioretty has a lot of value. RNH + Klefbom + ??

[Nelson]

I think the Flames have done pretty well over the past 3 drafts. In 2017, the Flames didn't have a lot of picks but Valimaki looks like a very strong pick. In 2016, the Flames absolutely destroyed the draft: Tkachuk, Parsons, Phillips, Lindstrom, Fox, Dube, Tuulola. In 2015, the Flames did really, really well despite only having 5 selections (Hamilton) getting Andersson, Kylington, and Mangiapane.

Therefore, I would say the Flames' prospect pool is fairly strong right now, although the defencemen are stronger than the forwards. I don't think anything drastic needs to be done to augment the prospect pool. I think the Flames should take a mostly passive approach to maintaining the prospect pool. Trade Stone for a late 3rd or early 4th and see if they can also make a more minor deal with failing or expiring-contract prospects for more late-round picks, but they certainly shouldn't commit to paying the price for a 1st or 2nd round pick.

If the Flames trade Stone and Shinkaruk for a 3rd and 5th, they have a 3rd, 2 4ths, a 5th, a 6th and a 7th. Then, the Flames just go out there and pick Phillips-like, Mangiapane-like, Fox-like players. They should take players who have scored a lot of points in the minors but have slipped through because of perceived faults, usually lack of size.

That would be my plan for the draft if I was Treliving.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/news...ocid=DELLDHP17

Montreal writers seem to think Pacioretty has a lot of value. RNH + Klefbom + ??

I really hope the Oilers are that foolish.

Give up Klefbom and a former 1st overall pick who's still a decent center for an aging winger.

After they traded a winger who is better than Pacioretty (Hall), straight up for a d-man that is worse than Klefbom (Larsson)

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/news...ocid=DELLDHP17

Montreal writers seem to think Pacioretty has a lot of value. RNH + Klefbom + ??

Wow, I thought you were being a bit hyperbolic with that suggestion but a few of them do actually believe Pacioretty, at almost 30 with one year remaining, is worth a young number 2 centre, a second pair defenceman on a good contract and the 10th overall.

I did see a Habs fan propose Hamilton and Bennett for patches and a second or two and 30 percent of the habs fans who voted in the poll said no.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Wow, I thought you were being a bit hyperbolic with that suggestion but a few of them do actually believe Pacioretty, at almost 30 with one year remaining, is worth a young number 2 centre, a second pair defenceman on a good contract and the 10th overall.

I did see a Habs fan propose Hamilton and Bennett for patches and a second or two and 30 percent of the habs fans who voted in the poll said no.

They voted "No" because they know that Bergevin would then trade Hamilton for another Old Broken Weber type player again...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Wow, I thought you were being a bit hyperbolic with that suggestion but a few of them do actually believe Pacioretty, at almost 30 with one year remaining, is worth a young number 2 centre, a second pair defenceman on a good contract and the 10th overall.

I did see a Habs fan propose Hamilton and Bennett for patches and a second or two and 30 percent of the habs fans who voted in the poll said no.

This sounds like HF logic.

[iloveicedhockey]

It was Twitter, which is about the same.

[Darkknight]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

One of these is not like the others, jeepers.

I'm not trying to call you out personally, but seeing as you are one of the more vocal Bennett supplrters; what is it exactly that you see in his game that makes you think he isn't just another high first draft bust? One of the more common things I see used as an excuse for Bennett's poor play has been linemates. I don't feel like his linemates are the ones responsible for his lazy penalties, or poor decision making with the puck. I would love to be wrong about him, so if you have any further insight into him as a future star I would be very open to hearing it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

I'm not trying to call you out personally, but seeing as you are one of the more vocal Bennett supplrters; what is it exactly that you see in his game that makes you think he isn't just another high first draft bust? One of the more common things I see used as an excuse for Bennett's poor play has been linemates. I don't feel like his linemates are the ones responsible for his lazy penalties, or poor decision making with the puck. I would love to be wrong about him, so if you have any further insight into him as a future star I would be very open to hearing it.

There’s a whole other thread on it. Read it all the way through if you like and you’ll see some answers. This is the trade rumours thread. We don’t need two threads filled with people calling Bennett a bust (a position I think is silly given Bennett’s age)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

I'm not trying to call you out personally, but seeing as you are one of the more vocal Bennett supplrters; what is it exactly that you see in his game that makes you think he isn't just another high first draft bust? One of the more common things I see used as an excuse for Bennett's poor play has been linemates. I don't feel like his linemates are the ones responsible for his lazy penalties, or poor decision making with the puck. I would love to be wrong about him, so if you have any further insight into him as a future star I would be very open to hearing it.

Comixzone can respond of his own accord, but allow me the liberty of sharing what I see.

First off, I agree with you: the calibre of some of Bennett's line mates does not excuse his unimpressive offensive performance this past year. I think there may be a small correlation between Bennett's quality of linemates and offensive production, but don't believe that he would have necessarily performed especially better while spending the entire season on the top line.

I also agree that Bennett takes too many penalties, and I think he has a tendency to hold the puck too long, but I will concede that these may be a reflection of the quality of his line mates. I think Bennett would potentially make better decisions if he were playing with better players. I also think he would play with greater confidence in such situations.

What I do see in Bennett is a combination very good skating and edge work, puck-handling, and on-ice vision. In fact, I and a few others have suggested that Bennett is the Flames's second-best puck handler next to Gaudreau. The big problem—as I mentioned above—is that he does not play to these strengths very often. Part of the reason for that is that his confidence is shot, and he has played like a bundle of nerves for the better part of 18 months. If he can get out of his own way, I think his overall game would improve tremendously, and he could become a bonafide scoring winger or centre.

[Darkknight]

I do apologize for the detail, I'll bring any further discussion to the Bennett thread. Thanks to those that took the time to respond.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

There’s a whole other thread on it. Read it all the way through if you like and you’ll see some answers. This is the trade rumours thread. We don’t need two threads filled with people calling Bennett a bust (a position I think is silly given Bennett’s age)

The Kent Wilson article in the athletic last week did a good job dispelling the Bennett's age position.

Firstly, the idea that Bennett is still very young and has a lot of room to improve is probably overblown. While improvement is more likely than decline, almost none of the similar players since 2005 took really substantial steps forward after the age of 21.

So, because its most likely bennett does not improve notably from now, the question really has to be: is a marginally better bennett (i.e. a 40 point Bennett who plays decent defense) a bust as this organizations highest ever draft pick?
I think Yes, given the players picked after him, the need in our roster for exactly the type of player he was billed as, and the relative lack of success for this franchise post selection. It is also very discouraging that Sam seems to have taken two straight seasons of steps backwards rather than improvement.

[GoJetsGo]

That's an interesting trade speculation / rumour.

If only there was some kind of Bennett thread where you can beat that dead horse...