2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Toonage]

Just think, if Kessel does come to Calgary we get to see him on TV hunched over after every single shift.

[Erick Estrada]

Not sure if it was due to injury or conditioning but his ice time was reduced in the last three games of the Capitals series. I wonder if the grind of the playoffs finally started to hit him at 30 which is why the Penguins are trying to cut bait.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by New Era

No reason to trade away Lazar and Stone. I get the Bennett and Brodie thing, but I think we are going way overboard in moving out bodies. You still need depth in the NHL to win, and guys like Lazar, Stone, and Brouwer provide depth. Both Stone and Brouwer have the ability to play up and down the lineup when injury hits, and without hurting you. Lazar is just a good 4th liner who brings the right attitude to the team and is willing to bang out there. He is what he is, and he is effective when you play him in the right slot.

The jury is still out on whether Lazar is good enough as an NHLer. This is a make or break year for him and for us to really find out.

As for Brouwer, it appears the game has now passed him by. He's showed beyond a doubt these last 2 years that he no longer has the speed or the skill to play as anymore than a 4th liner without being a serious anchor. Actually, even as a 4th liner he can still be something of an anchor.

[Samuelsson]

Not sure why people are worried about his (Kessel's) age and him falling off a cliff. He's 30 years old, with a $6.8m cap hit for 4 years. We signed Mark Giordano to a new contract with pretty much the same AAV at the same age Kessel will be when he finishes his current contract.

I'm all for it, but it'll never happen.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This was posted in the Evander Kane thread but I think it makes for some very good conversation here...



Some curious predictions here including a huge UFA contract for David Perron, a big value deal for James Neal, and a bold guess on *Connor Hellebuyck's extension.

* I have only today realized that I have developed an irrational hatred for a sizeable number of NHL players named "Connor."

Jankowski 2 x 1.31

Stastny 3 x 5.4

Blake Comeau 32 years old 4 x 3.06

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

Not sure why people are worried about his (Kessel's) age and him falling off a cliff. He's 30 years old, with a $6.8m cap hit for 4 years. We signed Mark Giordano to a new contract with pretty much the same AAV at the same age Kessel will be when he finishes his current contract.

I'm all for it, but it'll never happen.

I think the concern is Giordano is an exceptional human specimen. Phil Kessel is...not. At an older age that might make a difference.

[CliffFletcher]

This is a tough one.

For a team desperate for goals, desperate for a RH shot RW, and desperate for an improved powerplay, when an elite player who ticks all those boxes becomes available you have to be interested.

But there are so many risk. Kessel's age. His lack of fitness. His demeanor. If Treliving really is interested in shaking up the core to bring in more mentally aggressive players, Kessel hardly fits the bill.

Then there's the cost. Brodie + Fox would probably get the ball rolling - it gives the Penguins cap flexibility and helps their blueline. But there have to be teams that can do better. The Blues. The Wild.

[gvitaly]

2018 NHL trade candidates: 24 players who could get dealt this summer

DOUGIE HAMILTON, CALGARY FLAMES

Shortly after Calgary’s disappointing season ended, Dougie Hamilton‘s name started popping up in trade rumours. A 24-year-old, top pair defenceman would draw serious interest around the league, but the Flames are in win-now mode, so likely wouldn’t be looking for a first-rounder and two seconds, the same return they gave up to get Hamilton from the Bruins. He’s making $5.75 million for another three years and has become a perfect complement to captain Mark Giordano. Hamilton’s minutes have risen and his underlying Corsi numbers have gone up markedly — this season Hamilton’s 57.58 CF% at 5-on-5 was second in the league to only his partner.

After missing the playoffs, GM Brad Treliving could be motivated to do something since another miss could lead to his dismissal. But is trading Hamilton the best option here? The Jets underperformed expectations for years before they finally found their groove — the Flames could take a page out of that book and trust the talent in place under new coach Bill Peters.

It’s no secret the Flames need scoring. Micheal Ferland may have found a fit on the top line with Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau, but Calgary became a one-line team. Mikael Backlund is a fantastic second-line centre, but his strength is more on the defensive side of the puck. Matthew Tkachuk is a pest and a talent on the rise, but the Flames need more of a sure thing to take a run at 30 goals from the second line. Michael Frolik is a far better fit on the third line.

So, Calgary has been linked to James van Riemsdyk this summer, but if he goes elsewhere in free agency or the price is too rich, they could try and land that type of player plus a prospect or pick for Hamilton. But that’s an astronomically high price to pay and you have to wonder if Treliving ends up moving another blueliner.

More Hamilton trade rumours.

[pepper24]

If you get the right players/picks back you look at trading Hamilton.

Though I would rather try to a Bennett plus D prospect for a top 6 winger. If you want to free up a space for Andersson then you look at trading Stone instead. We have cap space and ability to buyout Brouwer as well.

Jonny - Mony - New Winger
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Mangiapane - Janko - Frolik
Hathaway - Lazar - Brouwer

Gio - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Andersson - Kulak

[CliffFletcher]

With the questions around the Flames mental toughness and chemistry, I'm not sure we need this on the team:

Kessel deserves much of the blame. He’s not an easy player to coach. His ego too often needs stroked. That’s why former assistant Rick Tocchet was so valuable on Sullivan’s staff. He was known as the Kessel Whisperer for good reason. But even with Tocchet, Sullivan had to be careful with the players he played with Kessel out of concern Kessel would pout if he wasn’t pleased.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/r...s/201805230076

[Steveyoto]

This is not so much a post about speculation but just testing the waters with something I have been pondering all off season.

I think we need to trade Johnny G, his value is as high as ever right now and I do not think we win the cup with him. In fact I do not think very many teams win the cup with him.

He is obviously offensively very skilled, and quite good at picking peoples pockets. Though he does not play the style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs. I think that trading him while his value is high is the best move we can make for the future potential of winning the cup.

Thoughts and flames?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I think the concern is Giordano is an exceptional human specimen. Phil Kessel is...not. At an older age that ABSOLUTELY MAKES A difference.

No kidding.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Steveyoto

This is not so much a post about speculation but just testing the waters with something I have been pondering all off season.

I think we need to trade Johnny G, his value is as high as ever right now and I do not think we win the cup with him. In fact I do not think very many teams win the cup with him.

He is obviously offensively very skilled, and quite good at picking peoples pockets. Though he does not play the style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs. I think that trading him while his value is high is the best move we can make for the future potential of winning the cup.

Thoughts and flames?

Obvious Flame. Not one player on the Flames impacts the game more than Johnny G does. When a team underachieves the worst thing they can do is have a kneejerk reaction and trade away your best player (a trade you are likely to lose).

Vegas is winning with Marchessault, Tampa won with St.Louis, Anaheim had some great runs with Paul Karyia.

Players evolve and their games change over the years. Trading Gaudreau now would be reckless, irresponsible, and outright dumb.

[Steveyoto]

Originally Posted by bax

Obvious Flame. Not one player on the Flames impacts the game more than Johnny G does. When a team underachieves the worst thing they can do is have a kneejerk reaction and trade away your best player (a trade you are likely to lose).

Vegas is winning with Marchessault, Tampa won with St.Louis, Anaheim had some great runs with Paul Karyia.

Players evolve and their games change over the years. Trading Gaudreau now would be reckless, irresponsible, and outright dumb.

I feel like Gaudreau is much more frail than Marchessault. Gaudreau wont play near the boards and is more often than not a defensive liability. St.Louis is not a fair comparison as he was feisty and would go into the areas he needed to in order to win.

I think he is the Flames best player, I also think the flames could potentially get better by trading him. What do you think the return could be for him?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Steveyoto

This is not so much a post about speculation but just testing the waters with something I have been pondering all off season.

I think we need to trade Johnny G, his value is as high as ever right now and I do not think we win the cup with him. In fact I do not think very many teams win the cup with him.

He is obviously offensively very skilled, and quite good at picking peoples pockets. Though he does not play the style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs. I think that trading him while his value is high is the best move we can make for the future potential of winning the cup.

Thoughts and flames?

Probably one of the most ridiculous things posted in some time... and that's saying something.

Guy is one of the top LW's and playmakers in the game, accounts for a huge percentage of our offense, and makes everyone on the ice better around him.

Try re-reading your post and swap his name out with Patrick Kane's before Chicago won their cups.

Borders on sheer nonsense. Subtracting our best player and that skill level would decimate this team.

[Toonage]

The Athletic (obvious pay site warning)

But another article outlining changes that could come this summer

https://theathletic.com/368240/2018/...o-this-summer/

Also, in regards to that Sportsnet article, when has JVR ever been linked to the Flames? Seriously.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Steveyoto

This is not so much a post about speculation but just testing the waters with something I have been pondering all off season.

I think we need to trade Johnny G, his value is as high as ever right now and I do not think we win the cup with him. In fact I do not think very many teams win the cup with him.

He is obviously offensively very skilled, and quite good at picking peoples pockets. Though he does not play the style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs. I think that trading him while his value is high is the best move we can make for the future potential of winning the cup.

Thoughts and flames?

1. Any trade suggestions in which the Flames are moving their most offensively talented players are total non-starters. Period. The team needs—more than anything—scoring upgrades and scoring depth. That is NOT achieved by relinquishing their top scoring forwards for mystery returns.

2. The idea that the clearest path to improvement is for teams too "maximize" the trade value of all their assets is nonsense.

3. What is this "style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs"? And moreover, does every player who has won the Stanley Cup play this same style?

It is a mistake for the Flames to trade Johnny Gaudreau.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Steveyoto

This is not so much a post about speculation but just testing the waters with something I have been pondering all off season.

I think we need to trade Johnny G, his value is as high as ever right now and I do not think we win the cup with him. In fact I do not think very many teams win the cup with him.

He is obviously offensively very skilled, and quite good at picking peoples pockets. Though he does not play the style of hockey that is necessary to win in the playoffs. I think that trading him while his value is high is the best move we can make for the future potential of winning the cup.

Thoughts and flames?

The Flames may one day have to make a decision regarding Gaudreau near the end of his contract but that's still a ways off. He's not only the best player on the team, he's also the most exciting to watch player this organization has had since Fleury. Trading him now while he's on a team friendly deal is the kind of move that blows up in your face and gets people fired IMO.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Athletic (obvious pay site warning)

But another article outlining changes that could come this summer

https://theathletic.com/368240/2018/...o-this-summer/

Also, in regards to that Sportsnet article, when has JVR ever been linked to the Flames? Seriously.

Summary of the Athletic article?

[Steveyoto]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Probably one of the most ridiculous things posted in some time... and that's saying something.

Guy is one of the top LW's and playmakers in the game, accounts for a huge percentage of our offense, and makes everyone on the ice better around him.

Try re-reading your post and swap his name out with Patrick Kane's before Chicago won their cups.

Borders on sheer nonsense. Subtracting our best player and that skill level would decimate this team.

I love watching the guy play hockey, he is amazing. I just personally think he is a playoff liability for these reasons.... He is not gritty, he gives up on plays especially defense, he does not play in tough areas(near the boards), he cant deal with being hit (at all), he has a temper when he does get hit, people on his team rarely come to his defence (says something about him).

Lets just say you could get amazing return for him. To me if you could get Gallagher and Galchenyuk or something like this it might be worth the consideration.

He is not a heart and soul player like Tkachuk, he will never be. He is skilled at skating and has great hands and vision. And I think he finishes his career with out a Stanley Cup. IMO.