2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except those 24 times as a second centre on the worst team in the league.

But not when it matters and has complete open net lol

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[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There were lots of concerns about Yakupov. In real time.

While it's true that not all players live up to their billing, there were no such concerns were presented about Bennett at draft time. It is most definitely revisionist history to suggest there were..

I remember ray ferraro saying about yakupov that he thought his ceiling was maxim afinaganov

Some draft years are just really bad at the top

Also Bennett was seen as a sure thing, there was a lot of talk the canucks wantes to move up to 1 or 2 and draft reinhart, but jason botchford said last year or maybe 2 years ago, they actually wanted Bennett

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't know if people realize that half of Hamilton's contract is gone. The Flames need to start delivering results next year.

It's a safe bet that people do know half his contract has expired. You know it, Brad Treliving knows it, whoever runs Capfriendly knows it, the registrar(s) at NHL Central know it, Murray Edwards must know it, Hamilton's agent knows it, and it's a safe bet Dougie Hamilton himself knows it. That's seven right there. There are probably others, but who's to say?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Spinach

It's a safe bet that people do know half his contract has expired. You know it, Brad Treliving knows it, whoever runs Capfriendly knows it, the registrar(s) at NHL Central know it, Murray Edwards must know it, Hamilton's agent knows it, and it's a safe bet Dougie Hamilton himself knows it. That's seven right there. There are probably others, but who's to say?

I know it, so that's 8 right there.

[iloveicedhockey]

Freddie probably does too.

[Sylvanfan]

My point is the flames don't exactly have a lot of time to build a legitimate contender like they did three years ago. They can't be a team slipping into a wild card spot and missing the playoffs anymore. They need to get a lot better.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My point is the flames don't exactly have a lot of time to build a legitimate contender like they did three years ago. They can't be a team slipping into a wild card spot and missing the playoffs anymore. They need to get a lot better.

That is the hope in year 7 of the rebuild. In year 7 of a rebuild anything less than the 2nd round would have to be considered an abject failure.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is the hope in year 7 of the rebuild. In year 7 of a rebuild anything less than the 2nd round would have to be considered an abject failure.

Year 7? They just traded Iginla and Bouwmeester in late 2013 and started a new build heading into the 2014/2015 season. It would only be 5 years at the absolute most if you included all of 2013 when they only packed it in at the trade deadline.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Year 7? They just traded Iginla and Bouwmeester in late 2013 and started a new build heading into the 2014/2015 season. It would only be 5 years at the absolute most if you included all of 2013 when they only packed it in at the trade deadline.

You are correct. The Flames have been rebuilding for 4 years.

Considering that they had few prospects in the system at that time, I would say the rebuild has gone quite well as they enter year 5.


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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is the hope in year 7 of the rebuild. In year 7 of a rebuild anything less than the 2nd round would have to be considered an abject failure.

How do you figure 7 years? Making up a big number thinking people won’t call you out on it so you can try and make it seem this current regime has done a horrible job?

Flames picked 6th overall 5 years ago at the draft and selected Monahan. Before that the highest pick they had in 10 years was 13.

[Roof-Daddy]

13/14 - Year 1
14/15 - Year 2 (Playoffs)
15/16 - Year 3
16/17 - Year 4 (Playoffs)
17/18 - Year 5

If the Flames hadn't stumbled this past season, the rebuild would have been clicking along at nothing less than a very solid success. Would have been rebuilding for the 5th year and made the playoffs three times in those five years, which isn't all that common while rebuilding. Plus they would have done it without ever hitting a draft lottery and never having drafted higher than 4th overall. None of this fluke out and get McDavid crap. Or jump up the board a bunch of spots to snag a 19 year 40+ goal scorer or tank to successfully pull down an Auston Matthews. Like the Flames would ever get that lucky.

Unfortunately, a few things haven't gone right and it derailed the process for at least one year:

1. Bennett didn't progress as we had hoped.
2. Two main vets play fell off a cliff and submarined our depth scoring (Brouwer, Stajan).
3. The 2013 draft never came through past Monahan. Klimchuk, Poirier, Shinkaruk and Lazar didn't provide cheap ELC scoring depth up front. Plus the 2014 draft was absolutely abysmal. Hunter Smith? Really?
4. Brodie took a pretty big step back the last two seasons, really shocking actually.
5. The GM didn't get his 1st coaching hire right.
6. Still haven't developed our own home grown starting goaltender. Gillies still has a chance, but if he'd developed like some other goalies from his draft class like Hellebuyck, Murray or Andersen Treliving wouldn't have been continually purging assets and draft picks trying to find the answer.

[Hackey]

The 14/15 playoffs were kind of a fluke. Last year hopefully was bad luck. If the Flames missed the first 3 years and made the next 2 that would be a very normal trajectory. Things don't always happen the way they should or you'd expect but I still think the team is setup to get back on track this year. If they miss again that will be a big disappointment and some big changes might need to happen. At least we have good assets to give us options unlike 5 years ago when we had next to nothing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Year 7? They just traded Iginla and Bouwmeester in late 2013 and started a new build heading into the 2014/2015 season. It would only be 5 years at the absolute most if you included all of 2013 when they only packed it in at the trade deadline.

I would count the 12/13 season as year 1 of the rebuild. If that is the case the following have been rebuilding years.

12/13
13/14
14/15
15/16
16/17
17/18

So we would be entering year 7 of the rebuild. BT is entering year 5 of his 5 year plan, but there were 2 rebuilding years before that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How do you figure 7 years? Making up a big number thinking people won’t call you out on it so you can try and make it seem this current regime has done a horrible job?

Flames picked 6th overall 5 years ago at the draft and selected Monahan. Before that the highest pick they had in 10 years was 13.

Well we are entering year 7 of the rebuild, unless you think selling Iginla and Bouwmeester at the deadline in 2013 was part of the Flames strategy of going for it?

Making up an artificially lower number to make the current regime look better does not help. The Flames have been rebuilding since they traded Iginla. The season that happened was 6 seasons ago, thus marking 12/13 as the start of the rebuild. 18/19 will be the 7th season of the rebuild.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would count the 12/13 season as year 1 of the rebuild. If that is the case the following have been rebuilding years.

12/13
13/14
14/15
15/16
16/17
17/18

So we would be entering year 7 of the rebuild. BT is entering year 5 of his 5 year plan, but there were 2 rebuilding years before that.

There was no way that the 12/13 season could be considered a rebuilding year, you just can't make it up by saying so.

The Flames did nothing at the start of the year to suggest they were rebuilding.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well we are entering year 7 of the rebuild, unless you think selling Iginla and Bouwmeester at the deadline in 2013 was part of the Flames strategy of going for it?

Making up an artificially lower number to make the current regime look better does not help. The Flames have been rebuilding since they traded Iginla. The season that happened was 6 seasons ago, thus marking 12/13 as the start of the rebuild. 18/19 will be the 7th season of the rebuild.

So you are contesting the Flames started the rebuild in 12/13?

Trading back in the first round to take a 4-5 year project is a rebuilding move?

Signing a 29 year old Dman to a 5 year $5.25M contract and a 28 year old to a 4 year $16M contract are typical for a team entering a rebuild?

The Flames entered that season with playoff aspirations. It was clear the team was not good midway through that shortened season. The team traded Iginl and Bouwmeester in March 2013 which was just over 5 years ago and clearly when the team decided to head in a different direction.

The team tore it down in 2013 and clearly the first full year of rebuilding was 13/14 so next year is season starting season 6 since they changed direction.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

At least we have good assets to give us options unlike 5 years ago when we had next to nothing.

After the 2013 draft before the first rebuild season. The Flame's had: Monahan, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Jankowski up front. Plus Giordano and Brodie on the back end. Veterans like Glencross, Russell, Hudler who could all be traded on expiring contracts in the next two seasons. Plus two other first round picks from that draft in Poirier and Klimchuk.

It's not like Treliving and company were not given anything to work with.

Right now the problem is that the team has very little in terms of draft ammo in the next two years to get better, and a roster that does not look like an upper level team to me. They can change things around, but I still don't think that plus what's in the system advances them past being a wild card type team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would count the 12/13 season as year 1 of the rebuild. If that is the case the following have been rebuilding years.

12/13
13/14
14/15
15/16
16/17
17/18

So we would be entering year 7 of the rebuild. BT is entering year 5 of his 5 year plan, but there were 2 rebuilding years before that.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well we are entering year 7 of the rebuild, unless you think selling Iginla and Bouwmeester at the deadline in 2013 was part of the Flames strategy of going for it?

Making up an artificially lower number to make the current regime look better does not help. The Flames have been rebuilding since they traded Iginla. The season that happened was 6 seasons ago, thus marking 12/13 as the start of the rebuild. 18/19 will be the 7th season of the rebuild.

They didn't sell Iggy and JBo until the deadline in 2013, so the 12/13 season was not the start of the rebuild. First SEASON of the rebuild was the 13/14 season.

...and even if someone wants to call the deadline 2013 as the start of the rebuild, that was just 5 years ago now. So I don't know how it's mathematically possible to be in year 7 lol

[Split98]

Was anyone paying attention to Team USA enough to know which wing Johnny was playing on? I'm still convinced he's our #1 RW option.

Unless a great deal comes our way, I don't think we have what it takes to get that caliber of player without hurting ourselves somewhere else.

Tkachuk - Monahan - Gaudreau
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Foo
Lazar - Shore - Hathaway

Is a lineup that gives us a pretty lethal top line, but a pretty tragic 2-3. Obviously upgrading your top-9 doesn't come easy, but it's much easier than trying to find that #1 RW. MAYBE playing Bennett in place of Tkachuk will help that guy find a game. Seeing everyone's line combos it's really clear that Bennett needs to produce or Calgary is in tough with him in the lineup.

[savardandjokinen]

I felt the rebuild ended before 16-17, draft day where Tkachuk was drafted and Elliot was acquired. Us missing the playoffs doesn’t mean we’re rebuilding, not every team outside of the playoffs is rebuilding. We just had a bad season because some of our good players weren’t good and our coach was bad