2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Nelson]

Stone is the current defenceman I want to see traded. It’s not because I dislike him as a player. I think he’s completely fine. I really appreciate his ability to break up cycles, slap shot (although I think it misses the net a lot), and steady veteran presence. The reason is 3.5 M is a lot for the 3rd pair. Andersson should be promoted and 3RHD would be the perfect place to put him (next to Kulak). And Stone could bring a 3rd round pick.

The last part kind of stings. The Flames paid a 3rd and 5th for him because he resigned so it feels like bad asset management to trade him for less. But I think it would be worse asset management for Andersson to continue playing in the AHL because I think he is already overready. Also, I think a really good puck-moving 3rd pair with some offensive upside is needed. After all, the Flames were 6th worst in scoring goals last season.

Alternatively, perhaps Calgary could package Stone with taking on a bad contract to a defence-needy team to help the RW position or just send Stone for a skilled and speedy bottom 6 RW.

[Scroopy Noopers]

^ do you think a better option would be the trade Brodie for a better return and move Stone up onto the 2nd pairing?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

^ do you think a better option would be the trade Brodie for a better return and move Stone up onto the 2nd pairing?

I think that’s a risk because I feel Stone would be out of his depth on the 2nd pair over a full 82 game season. Plus, I actually subscribe to the school of thought that there is an advantage to having most defencemen play on the same side as they shoot. With Hamilton, Hamonic, Stone, and Andersson, that would give you 4 RHD.

I guess I’d have to see the offers for Brodie and Stone before I could see whether I think taking the above risks would be worth it. I’m just not sure...

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

^ do you think a better option would be the trade Brodie for a better return and move Stone up onto the 2nd pairing?

I don’t think a Stone-Hamonic pairing would turn out very good at all. Two right shots that don’t compliment each other’s game all that well.


And I like both guys

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by neo45

I don’t think a Stone-Hamonic pairing would turn out very good at all. Two right shots that don’t compliment each other’s game all that well.


And I like both guys

I agree. If this were the situation I could see:
Gio - Hamonic
Hamilton - Stone/Youngin who bumps him down a spot.


I guess my argument is I don’t see the point of moving Stone for a pick. They need to use assets to add roster players first and foremost. And although I think he has decent trade value, it isn’t near Brodie’s.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I think that’s a risk because I feel Stone would be out of his depth on the 2nd pair over a full 82 game season. Plus, I actually subscribe to the school of thought that there is an advantage to having most defencemen play on the same side as they shoot. With Hamilton, Hamonic, Stone, and Andersson, that would give you 4 RHD.

I guess I’d have to see the offers for Brodie and Stone before I could see whether I think taking the above risks would be worth it. I’m just not sure...

Here's the big picture issue:

Let's take the 3 defenseman on the flames that people have mentioned being moved for assets.

Hamilton - He's getting you the most return, including immediate impact and future assets. This is also a HUGE cost to the Flames.

Brodie - He may get you a serviceable top 6 winger, likely not 1 for 1 but part of a small package. Let's call it "medium" impact

Stone - Likely getting mid round picks (late 2nd/3rd), maybe a 9-12 forward.

Unproven Defenseman - Andersson, Fox, Kylington, Valimaki could be trade pieces (I wouldn't want to trade Andersson or Valimaki personally) but they are more of a throw in to a package then a 1 for 1 trade in most cases. We're not getting any immediate up front help for any of these guys on their own unfortunately.

I don't see receiving any offer for Stone that nets us anything that makes us better immediately, which is why I don't see him as a good trading asset this year. He's better on the team than off the team, playing 3rd pairing minutes, 2nd line PP for his shot and 1 of the two PK units because that's what he's good at.

I would sooner let a young kid take a 2nd pairing spot if we move Brodie and see what happens:

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
______ - Stone

[SportsJunky]

I'm not a fan of Stone and I'd welcome a trade of him and another player/prospect to bring in a forward. I know some disagree with me on this but that last game against the Oilers when Lucic was intimidating Smith and Stone, IMO, seemed disinterested in smacking Lucic in the mouth, well that kind of sealed it for me.

[Krovikan]

Since Chiarelli is considered amount the worst traders and Treliving is consider among the better. Also considering rumor that Chiarelli is looking for a RHD for his 10th, anyone think 10th + Puljujarvi for Hamonic BT wizard trade could happen? Probably more realistic 10th for Hamonic though.

Stone plays well with Brodie, and this would open up a spot for Andersson.

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[d_phaneuf]

Dont think they would give up the 10th for hamonic

Even chiarelli would balk at that price

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Royle9

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I would sooner let a young kid take a 2nd pairing spot if we move Brodie and see what happens:

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
______ - Stone

The problem I have with that lineup is it makes no room for Andersson.

You have 4 RH Shot D-men: Hamilton/Hamonic/Stone/Andersson

If you move Brodie (who maybe should also be on the above RH list), and leaves you Gio/Kulak as the only established LH d-men.

You have a couple of question marks on the farm (Valamaki/Kylington), but now one of them is forced into the lineup, and Andersson still sits at #7

Brodie may be best to keep if for no other reason that he can play the left, and prefers to play the right. You can put him on either side in case of injury.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Since Chiarelli is considered amount the worst traders and Treliving is consider among the better. Also considering rumor that Chiarelli is looking for a RHD for his 10th, anyone think 10th + Puljujarvi for Hamonic BT wizard trade could happen? Probably more realistic 10th for Hamonic though.

Stone plays well with Brodie, and this would open up a spot for Andersson.

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Umm no. That won't happen.

[dissentowner]

What is with this D men still have to play their hand side? Does GG have multiple accounts here? Stone played LD when Brodie was out and looked fine doing it, you can still slot Andersson in.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

The problem I have with that lineup is it makes no room for Andersson.

You have 4 RH Shot D-men: Hamilton/Hamonic/Stone/Andersson

If you move Brodie (who maybe should also be on the above RH list), and leaves you Gio/Kulak as the only established LH d-men.

You have a couple of question marks on the farm (Valamaki/Kylington), but now one of them is forced into the lineup, and Andersson still sits at #7

Brodie may be best to keep if for no other reason that he can play the left, and prefers to play the right. You can put him on either side in case of injury.

Maybe we have room to move 2 defenseman then
I personally think both Andersson and Valimaki could step in next year and contribute while not looking out of place, one could argue Andersson already displayed that during stint at the end of this season.

[420since1974]

I think that Kyle Palmieri for TJ Brodie would be close to an even trade that would benefit both teams.
The Devils need a Top 4 D (Brodie can play either side) and the Flames need a Top 6 RW.
They're both 27, both have an 8 team no trade list, and have nearly identical Cap Hits. Palmieri has one extra year on his contract.
Defence-men usually return more than wingers, so perhaps the Devils might have to add a little, maybe the return of Calgary's 2018 5th round pick (originally traded to Arizona for Michael Stone)?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 420since1974

I think that Kyle Palmieri for TJ Brodie would be close to an even trade that would benefit both teams.
The Devils need a Top 4 D (Brodie can play either side) and the Flames need a Top 6 RW.
They're both 27, both have an 8 team no trade list, and have nearly identical Cap Hits. Palmieri has one extra year on his contract.
Defence-men usually return more than wingers, so perhaps the Devils might have to add a little, maybe the return of Calgary's 2018 5th round pick (originally traded to Arizona for Michael Stone)?

I'd think the Flames may have to add. Palmieri is a legit #1 RW, and the Devil's 3rd or 4th best player. After Palmieri, their RW depth is really weak, so moving him would leave a gaping hole in their roster. He's also a coach's favourite, and very popular with the fans as a local boy.

But I do agree that a deal with Brodie and Palmieri as the principals is realistic.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What is with this D men still have to play their hand side? Does GG have multiple accounts here? Stone played LD when Brodie was out and looked fine doing it, you can still slot Andersson in.

I don't mind it in their own zone, but I hate it when they're trying to protect the offensive blueline. Stone looked really uncomfortable moving the puck from his backhand to his forehand on the left side ... almost causing turnovers in the process.

It doesn't have to be THE THING, but it's a THING

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What is with this D men still have to play their hand side? Does GG have multiple accounts here? Stone played LD when Brodie was out and looked fine doing it, you can still slot Andersson in.

Stone looked awkward on his off side IMO

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

^ do you think a better option would be the trade Brodie for a better return and move Stone up onto the 2nd pairing?

If Brodie is dealt I think Kulak is the one who moves up to the 2nd pairing. Or maybe even Valimaki if he has a crazy good camp

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

If Brodie is dealt I think Kulak is the one who moves up to the 2nd pairing. Or maybe even Valimaki if he has a crazy good camp

That actually makes more sense. He has shown he is capable of taking on this task.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Here's the big picture issue:

Let's take the 3 defenseman on the flames that people have mentioned being moved for assets.

Hamilton - He's getting you the most return, including immediate impact and future assets. This is also a HUGE cost to the Flames.

Brodie - He may get you a serviceable top 6 winger, likely not 1 for 1 but part of a small package. Let's call it "medium" impact

Stone - Likely getting mid round picks (late 2nd/3rd), maybe a 9-12 forward.

Unproven Defenseman - Andersson, Fox, Kylington, Valimaki could be trade pieces (I wouldn't want to trade Andersson or Valimaki personally) but they are more of a throw in to a package then a 1 for 1 trade in most cases. We're not getting any immediate up front help for any of these guys on their own unfortunately.

I don't see receiving any offer for Stone that nets us anything that makes us better immediately, which is why I don't see him as a good trading asset this year. He's better on the team than off the team, playing 3rd pairing minutes, 2nd line PP for his shot and 1 of the two PK units because that's what he's good at.

I would sooner let a young kid take a 2nd pairing spot if we move Brodie and see what happens:

Gio - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
______ - Stone

I know what you’re saying. It’s true. Stone won’t get us much. I think they may need to package him with a player or prospect or taking on of a negative asset.

I really don’t want to take the risk of playing a relatively unproven player in the top 4. Valimaki (or Kylington for that matter) has a bright future but I think the top 4 might be a little bit too big for him right now. There’s a chance it works, but if it fails it could wreck the season.

It’s a good point that, if Brodie could be moved, Kulak could play next to Hamonic. The third pairing could then be Kylington/Valimaki and Andersson.