2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

BT didn't "rip" the core so to speak, but he made it very clear that the players were as much, or more, to blame for last seasons results as the coaching staff and certainly inferred that there would be changes.

Changes can include guys like Hamiltion as I would suggest the ONLY players that arent part of his statement are Gaudreau, Giordano and Tkachuk...period.

Again...people are kidding themselves if they think BT is coming back with the same roster minus UFA's next season. He will make a major move cause he has to.

Why do you give Gaudreau a pass and not Hamilton?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Why do you give Gaudreau a pass and not Hamilton?

Because they need more forward depth/scoring and probably a bad idea to take away their best player there?

Pretty simple. Calgary has one area of strength, that's where the trade will come from.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I too would love to hear what Flames management has said about Hamilton. Since they never said a goddamn thing, would be nice to read some more made up stuff.

Also, the rumors about his brother was something created by "fans".

These "fans" are probably the same ones that daddy bought them a car for their 16th birthday and they bitched it wasn't nice enough.

Entirely false.

It was a subject of discussion all year among the media as well.

As for your last line...how does one receiving a vehicle make them less knowledgeable or worse fans than anyone else? Weird statement.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Because they need more forward depth/scoring and probably a bad idea to take away their best player there?

Pretty simple. Calgary has one area of strength, that's where the trade will come from.

Taking away the best point producing defenceman and one half of the elite 1st pairing we have seems like an absolute disaster.

That's not how Nashville treated their surplus. They didn't trade off Josi, which - when Weber was there, was effectively their Dougie Hamilton.

They traded Jones and Girard.

I'm not advocating the dealing of Valimaki, because I believe he's on the Werenski path. I believe the best path forward is capitalizing on the premium price we can likely get for Rasmus Andersson.

Giordano - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

If Brodie is retained, and Andersson is the only one dealt - then Kulak becomes our #7 and Brodie is back with Stone. That's awesome.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a subject of discussion all year among the media as well.

Well I totally missed any media saying that, can you provide a link? Eric Francis doesn't count btw, he says lots of b.s. things to get clicks.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Taking away the leading scorer and best or 2nd best defenceman from that strength is not how you do it though.

That's not how Nashville treated their surplus. They didn't trade off Josi, which - when Weber was there, was effectively their Dougie Hamilton.

They traded Jones and Girard.

I'm not advocating the dealing of Valimaki, because I believe he's on the Werenski path. I believe the best path forward is capitalizing on the premium price we can likely get for Rasmus Andersson.

OK..thats your opinion.

Im just saying that BT himself is looking to make a big change if we are to believe what he has stated that there is much blame to had by the players that were part of this past season.

Changes are coming...likely a major one...Hamilton could just as easily be a part of that as anyone.

This wont be a prospect for a 2nd deal, he will be looking to change a core piece or 2. Meaning Rasmus Andersson for anything he would return is not what was inferred.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Entirely false.

It was a subject of discussion all year among the media as well.

As for your last line...how does one receiving a vehicle make them less knowledgeable or worse fans than anyone else? Weird statement.

Media? You mean one #### disturber who covers the Flames?

"Cliff Fletcher" said Flames management singled out Dougie Hamilton, would love to see where Flames management singled him out. Shouldn't be hard for him to find with the internet these days.

My last statement is exactly why the Flames can't have nice things. People whine about everything, just to whine.

Ask Boston fans if they think the Hamilton trade was a good one, then get back to me.

Look, I'm not sitting here saying that Hamilton doesn't have issues, but 99 percent of posts on here are claiming fact, when it's mostly personal beliefs and speculation because of personal feelings about one of our best young players. Makes zero sense.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well I totally missed any media saying that, can you provide a link? Eric Francis doesn't count btw, he says lots of b.s. things to get clicks.

Guys on the morning show talked about it on and off all year. No link available, just have to listen.

Particularly when it was clear that "the brother" as they called him, was not getting into games for weeks at a time. It was suggested, not subtly either, by Warrener that it was an issue in the room. He wasn't good enough to be in the NHL and their were guys in Stockton who were.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

OK..thats your opinion.

Im just saying that BT himself is looking to make a big change if we are to believe what he has stated that there is much blame to had by the players that were part of this past season.

Changes are coming...likely a major one...Hamilton could just as easily be a part of that as anyone.

This wont be a prospect for a 2nd deal, he will be looking to change a core piece or 2. Meaning Rasmus Andersson for anything he would return is not what was inferred.

My argument to that would be:

1. Trade Rasmus Andersson for a young up and coming scoring right winger.
2. Buyout Troy Brouwer

Possibly:

3. Trade TJ Brodie

1 and 2 are not insignificant changes. Toss in 3, and it's huge.

Have the winning bid on a UFA like Evander Kane alongside 1 and 2...and again, that's huge!

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Taking away the best point producing defenceman and one half of the elite 1st pairing we have seems like an absolute disaster.

That's not how Nashville treated their surplus. They didn't trade off Josi, which - when Weber was there, was effectively their Dougie Hamilton.

They traded Jones and Girard.

I'm not advocating the dealing of Valimaki, because I believe he's on the Werenski path. I believe the best path forward is capitalizing on the premium price we can likely get for Rasmus Andersson.

Giordano - Hamilton
Valimaki - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

If Brodie is retained, and Andersson is the only one dealt - then Kulak becomes our #7 and Brodie is back with Stone. That's awesome.

That's all fine and good, but it seemed like Brad T had some issues with a few un-named players that were playing for stats rather then the team. So the trade list starts there (wherever that may be) regardless of position or prestige or role. The flames failure this season I think more stems from the fact that they didn't play like a team. That's the first thing you address this off-season. Guys that hamper the team dynamic.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

BT didn't "rip" the core so to speak, but he made it very clear that the players were as much, or more, to blame for last seasons results as the coaching staff and certainly inferred that there would be changes.

Changes can include guys like Hamiltion as I would suggest the ONLY players that arent part of his statement are Gaudreau, Giordano and Tkachuk...period.

Again...people are kidding themselves if they think BT is coming back with the same roster minus UFA's next season. He will make a major move cause he has to.

I asked the question because the implication was that the core was rotten and that was likely Hamilton's fault.

I don't know if the last paragraph was aimed at me or anyone in particular but I don't think anyone had said that. I agree, I think coming back with the same roster would be a mistake and won't happen. BT knows the roster better than us and should know what makes us better. If that entails trading Hamilton then so be it. So long as we get fair value, that's his call. It's a big hole to fill but no one is untradeable.

The media thing is a strange one. A couple have a clear bias against dougie but we might not ever find out why. Could dougie have problems? Maybe. Could he just not like the media part of being a pro athlete and they respond in kind? Maybe. Could a few have annoyed him by saying untruths or mocking his brother and he responds accordingly? Maybe. Is Eric Francis a bit of a tool? Yes.

[Knut]

OK Trade Dougie Hamilton for a kings ransom... Sign John Carlson for 7x7

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My argument to that would be:

1. Trade Rasmus Andersson for a young up and coming scoring right winger.
2. Buyout Troy Brouwer

Possibly:

3. Trade TJ Brodie

1 and 2 are not insignificant changes. Toss in 3, and it's huge.

Have the winning bid on a UFA like Evander Kane alongside 1 and 2...and again, that's huge!

Yes they are.

I dont believe that RA gets any sort of return that matters at this point...but maybe he gets another prospect, so thats a wash.

Brouwer moving on via buyout or anyway else doesnt change anything with the core guys.

Brodie was brutal this year and last. Like Brouwer he may be addition by subtraction and allow one of the young guys a spot, but that doesnt address the forward issues.

Maybe I read to much into what BT said, but man he seemed pissed off he was firing a coach when he was blaming players just as much if not more.

That, IMO, means a big change coming.

An absolutely necessary one too.

[Bingo]

If I'm Treliving I let the discussion go where it goes.

He can trade Andersson for an equivalent NHL ready winger ready to step in.
He can trade Brodie for a second line right wing.
He can trade Stone for draft picks.
He can trade Hamilton if he gets the package he likes.
He can entertain Giordano if someone steps up and he can't turn it down.

Approach every discussion as saying "we think we have between seven and ten NHL ready defenseman and we're looking to make a move to improve our balance" and see what other GMs say.

If they try to suggest the Flames need to trade Hamilton improve their knowledge.

The Hamilton character thing is an enigma to me ....

Uppity by Boston media who turn on every exiting player
Seemed to need his brother in Calgary
Lines up to help charities in public ways.
No exit interview
Photo bombs his teammates.

[iloveicedhockey]

I think you're right to say he was royally pissed at having to fire GG because that's his guy and reflects on him poorly. You can't fire the whole roster right? Perhaps it was a warning shot to the players, or perhaps it means big changes, hopefully we'll find out soon because we're going around in circles on here.

[Toonage]

Plenty will happen and probably all within the next 6 weeks. I fully believe we see a major move prior to the draft. Going out on a limb, I know.

[CaptainCrunch]

This all just seems to be a repetition of Tanguay not smiling enough.

When the fan guys were talking about the whole Hamilton and Hamilton mess, it wasn't Warrener saying there was trouble in the dressing room over it, he was speculating that there could be trouble in the dressing room over it, but people make that leap when they hear what they think they want to hear.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Ask Boston fans if they think the Hamilton trade was a good one, then get back to me.

I have spent a lot of time in Boston, and spoken to a lot of Boston fans. More than one noted that he would put up points but complained he was soft.

Watched a BOS CGY game with one this year, he pointed out Hamilton being beat in the d zone due to compete. Gave me the ‘see, this is what you get with that guy’

I’m sure they didn’t love the trade at the time because it was for lottery tickets.

The fact that they had Krug emerging made it sting less, and there may have been sour grapes when Dougie didn’t sign.

By and large, a lot of the B’s fan base is blue collar, and when Iggy got in a few scraps early in his tenure there, that endeared him to them. They like that ‘in your face’ identity and expect a guy Hamilton’s size, fair or not, to be a big bad Bruin.

General feedback on the trade I have heard from their side is good riddance, didn’t hurt us and look at how Calgary is doing. He is long forgotten, Krug is better and that McAvoy kid looks like a good pick.

[AC]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This all just seems to be a repetition of Tanguay not smiling enough.

Drury, not Tanguay.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If I'm Treliving I let the discussion go where it goes.

He can trade Andersson for an equivalent NHL ready winger ready to step in.
He can trade Brodie for a second line right wing.
He can trade Stone for draft picks.
He can trade Hamilton if he gets the package he likes.
He can entertain Giordano if someone steps up and he can't turn it down.

Approach every discussion as saying "we think we have between seven and ten NHL ready defenseman and we're looking to make a move to improve our balance" and see what other GMs say.

If they try to suggest the Flames need to trade Hamilton improve their knowledge.

The Hamilton character thing is an enigma to me ....

Uppity by Boston media who turn on every exiting player
Seemed to need his brother in Calgary
Lines up to help charities in public ways.
No exit interview
Photo bombs his teammates.

Yup.

Who knows whats part of it and whats not.

Something happened in Boston, of that there is no question. Never been addressed publicly so it festers into speculation which is where it is still at.

The brother thing...same thing. Why was he here as long as he was?

All players on this club do charity work and most of it goes unreported as they prefer.

The no exit thing again fuels the fire of discontent whether it be much ado about nothing or a massive red flag.

Smoke equals fire for most. So that's where the narrative goes. Nothing new about that.

I don't think Hamilton gets dealt myself, but it would not shock me if it happens either.

I do believe, and i may be way way off, that there is a guy moved this off season that stuns a large portion of the fan base. Strictly going off BT's words along with the indisputable fact that this team was not very good this past season. That alone brings changes to any team.

And do you think Brodie can return a 2nd line winger? Cause I'm not sure about that at all.