2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Between 2014-2016 Flames fans talked about Brodie as the teams best Dman and a potential Norris contender. The Flames hire Gulutzan and move him to the left side and change the style of play and now some people want to ship him out of town.

I would bank on a new coach and having a NHL ready right shot prospect in Andersson (also offensively gifted) to fill those spots. Moving Hamilton also could make signing Fox easier next summer.

I bank on Andersson, Valimaki, or Kylington coming in and making an impact next year over Mangiapane, Dube, or Foo.

If the Flames think they can fix Brodie then I think Hamilton could be moved, but the return would have to be very strong.
So it depends on their confidence level in Brodie turning his game around.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the Flames think they can fix Brodie then I think Hamilton could be moved, but the return would have to be very strong.
So it depends on their confidence level in Brodie turning his game around.

Agreed that is a huge part of it. Pretty much the only scenario that makes sense moving Hamilton is having Brodie return to Gio’s right side.

Trading Hamilton only makes sense if an elite or potentially elite forward with years of team control is the return.

I see scenarios were the Flames could move Brodie for a Simmonds or Pacioretty but then quickly have to decide if they want to pay these forwards $5M for their 30-36 year old years. Hamilton brings back RFA aged players that will be longer term fits.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I guess the question is, if Smith goes down for another stretch of time, how much do you trust Rittich or Gillies to carry the load again? Pretty important to eliminate guess work out of this.

Rittich was fine in spot duty but pretty unreliable when given a steady workload.

In my opinion, I don't think they can gamble on that scenario and will bring in a capable #2. Give Rittich and Gillies an over ripening season in the AHL.

Or they move one to maximize a trade return.

Smith is the bonafide be all end all in net and his ability to play a full season is the question mark. Just not sold that either goals prospect can rise and carry

If Smith goes down for a long period then you look to acquire a goalie. Most teams in the league would have issues if their starter gets injured for a big stretch.

If Smith sustains a minor injury I’m comfortable with Rittich/Gillies. Those guys were rookies. There’s a good chance they are both stronger next year

[Roof-Daddy]

What if they just pull a swap of good young blue liners?

Like Hamilton for Ristolainen for example?

Who adds in that scenario, if anyone?

Hamilton for Ristolainen and Nylander?

[Harry Lime]

Where did all of the slightly plausible dream scenarios go?

Trade Hamilton to Toronto for Marner and a first. Leaf fans cry.
Trade Backlund and Brodie to Buffalo for ROR. Buffalo fans are indifferent but hopeful.
Sign Mike Green to a one year 'show me' contract, season past his surgery.
Sign Ilya Kovalchuk to a 3Y/7M contract, since he's likely to only get 2Y offers from most teams.

Tkachuk - ROR - Marner
Gaudreau - Monahan - Kovalchuk
Bennett -Jankowski - Frolik
Ferland - Shore - Klimchuk
Brouwer

Giordano - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Green - Andersson

How fun would that be to watch?

[cam_wmh]

Green won’t sign in Calgary

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Regarding Bennett, it has been speculated the Ducks had interest previously. If they offered the 23rd pick, would you do it?

Nope. I think Bennett has a higher upside than most players you’d get in the late 1st

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Green won’t sign in Calgary

Sorry, I sometimes spell Calvin De Haan, 'Mike Green'.
I don't know why.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Where did all of the slightly plausible dream scenarios go?

Trade Hamilton to Toronto for Marner and a first. Leaf fans cry.
Trade Backlund and Brodie to Buffalo for ROR. Buffalo fans are indifferent but hopeful.
Sign Mike Green to a one year 'show me' contract, season past his surgery.
Sign Ilya Kovalchuk to a 3Y/7M contract, since he's likely to only get 2Y offers from most teams.

Tkachuk - ROR - Marner
Gaudreau - Monahan - Kovalchuk
Bennett -Jankowski - Frolik
Ferland - Shore - Klimchuk
Brouwer

Giordano - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Green - Andersson

How fun would that be to watch?

That blueline is brutal. The Flames can afford to move one top 4 but not 2 in my opinion.

If we are doing the dream scenarios why not sign Tavares over Kovalchuk?

I don’t see how the Flames trade Backlund before his contract kicks in that is a bad look on the Flames.

Keep that Toronto trade even if it is one for one

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What if they just pull a swap of good young blue liners?

Like Hamilton for Ristolainen for example?

Who adds in that scenario, if anyone?

Hamilton for Ristolainen and Nylander?

But why?

I like most of your proposals and the reasoning but I really part ways when you tend to turn our stars into multiple assets. It's pretty standard that the team that acquires quantity looks bad a few years down the road.

Nylander is basically a project at this point, so you're downgrading a high value commodity that could return a star, first line forward into a lesser D-man and a project.

I feel your ideas are great with mid value players, but you tend to get a little greedy with star player proposals in wanting to shore up multiple holes because they're worth so much. It's an especially bad strategy when you start proposing to add draft picks as well. Because now you're trading a huge asset into a downgrade and something that may turn into a player years later.

In the end if you split any star players value you're wasting that asset as you need that top end talent on our roster to become a contender.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But why?

I like most of your proposals and the reasoning but I really part ways when you tend to turn our stars into multiple assets. It's pretty standard that the team that acquires quantity looks bad a few years down the road.

Nylander is basically a project at this point, so you're downgrading a high value commodity that could return a star, first line forward into a lesser D-man and a project.

I feel your ideas are great with mid value players, but you tend to get a little greedy with star player proposals in wanting to shore up multiple holes because they're worth so much. It's an especially bad strategy when you start proposing to add draft picks as well. Because now you're trading a huge asset into a downgrade and something that may turn into a player years later.

In the end if you split any star players value you're wasting that asset as you need that top end talent on our roster to become a contender.

Well, I've already stated that I don't want Dougie traded unless its a massive overpay.

The Risto idea is if Dougie has asked to be traded and it would potentially be a way to keep a young high end right shot Dman on our blueline.

Are you saying Dougie is miles better than Risto? I think they're values and abilities would be very similar. I think Risto has 3 or 4 straight 40+ point seasons and he's only 23.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That blueline is brutal. The Flames can afford to move one top 4 but not 2 in my opinion.

If we are doing the dream scenarios why not sign Tavares over Kovalchuk?

I don’t see how the Flames trade Backlund before his contract kicks in that is a bad look on the Flames.

Keep that Toronto trade even if it is one for one

Because I don't think that Taveras is very plausible. Possible, sure.
Kovalchuk is the best solution to our RW dilemma and costs nothing but money.

I wouldn't worry about trading Backlund and how it would look. A new coach, after a bad season, and it's the only chance to trade him for the length of the contract. Other players would understand the business of it.

And I like ROR better for this team.

Everyone except for Gio underwhelmed me on defense last year. I'm not feeling that protective.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Green won’t sign in Calgary

Just curious but why wouldn’t he sign here? He owns a house in Chestermere- based off that, I don’t really see why he wouldn’t want to sign here?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Because I don't think that Taveras is very plausible. Possible, sure.
Kovalchuk is the best solution to our RW dilemma and costs nothing but money.

I wouldn't worry about trading Backlund and how it would look. A new coach, after a bad season, and it's the only chance to trade him for the length of the contract. Other players would understand the business of it.

And I like ROR better for this team.

Everyone except for Gio underwhelmed me on defense last year. I'm not feeling that protective.

As far apart as the value of Taveres and Kovalchuk is they actually likely have around the same chance of choosing Calgary as a destination.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Just curious but why wouldn’t he sign here? He owns a house in Chestermere- based off that, I don’t really see why he wouldn’t want to sign here?

I remember someone here a few years ago saying they talked to a family member of Greens and they had said he has no interest in playing here. Would rather play in lesser scrutinized markets and I can't say I blame him. If he had a rough go here the fans are really quick to turn ugly.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I remember someone here a few years ago saying they talked to a family member of Greens and they had said he has no interest in playing here. Would rather play in lesser scrutinized markets and I can't say I blame him. If he had a rough go here the fans are really quick to turn ugly.

Especially at the cap hits he has rocked for a few years now, he'd be strung up faster than Bouwmeester.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I remember someone here a few years ago saying they talked to a family member of Greens and they had said he has no interest in playing here. Would rather play in lesser scrutinized markets and I can't say I blame him. If he had a rough go here the fans are really quick to turn ugly.

Well I guess if that’s the reason you wouldn’t really want him here anyway

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Especially at the cap hits he has rocked for a few years now, he'd be strung up faster than Bouwmeester.

Anyone interested in a bouwmeester Jersey? Interesting trades accepted.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Because I don't think that Taveras is very plausible. Possible, sure.
Kovalchuk is the best solution to our RW dilemma and costs nothing but money.

I wouldn't worry about trading Backlund and how it would look. A new coach, after a bad season, and it's the only chance to trade him for the length of the contract. Other players would understand the business of it.

And I like ROR better for this team.

Everyone except for Gio underwhelmed me on defense last year. I'm not feeling that protective.

I would say Tavares is substantially more plausible than Kovalchuk especially in your scenario where he picks Calgary to play on the 2nd line.

If I was a player moving forward I would second guess signing an extension in Calgary knowing the GM could trade me to the worst team in the league I do like RoR as a fit for the team.

I don’t know what you saw in the third pair this year that makes you think we could elevate them to the second pair and be fine. An injury away from Stone or Kulak playing top minutes.

It is all fantasy scenarios anyway. The forward ranks look good but that blueline is Oiler bad

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Anyone interested in a bouwmeester Jersey? Interesting trades accepted.

Can of fancy feast?