Time to ban Pitbulls from Calgary

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Just figured I'd isolate these two sentences for juxtaposition.

Am I wrong?

[Alpha_Q]

So many news articles include the detail that the dog had never attacked before. Then the apologists bring out the ####ty owner line - and based on what many have said in this thread, that pit bulls tend to attract the type of person that probably isn't going to be all that responsible, that apologist line seems correct.

If all dog breeds would be considerate enough to keep their attacks strictly upon their ####ty owners, then fine. But they kill children, and pit bulls are the most dangerous.

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2016/10/rep...revalence.html


"Retrospective studies from level 1 trauma centers from all major geographical regions in the U.S. are reporting a higher prevalence of pit bull injuries than all other breeds of dogs. In many cases, the studies also report that pit bull injuries have a higher severity of injury and require a greater number of operative interventions. Only one study in 11 reported different results, a level 1 pediatric trauma center in the Denver-Aurora region, where pit bulls have long been banned."

"...authors in the most recent studies voice their alarm about the gravity of pit bull injuries, particularly concerning children, and the urgent need to raise more awareness among parents. Some authors hope their data helps shape public policies, which may involve breed restrictions. At the very least, accurate information must be provided to parents."

There are some great arguments in this thread, for and against the banning of pit bulls. But when kids are involved, how can you not let statistics like these worry you? I wonder if pit bull owners let their children play with lighters.

[Smartcar]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Oddly enough, 2 breeds I won't ever personally consider owning that aren't a bully breed, are border collies and poodles (of any size). Border collies have always made me uneasy, I find them sneaky and bullheaded and mean.

Interesting. I've had dogs most of my life and had other breeds but my last two have been border collies and they are the best. Very smart, often stubborn, but fun and energetic (and need a lot of exercise or they find things to do, i.e. destroy stuff). Sneaky and bullheaded might be another descriptor for smart and stubborn, but mean, never.

[Nage Waza]

You just need to walk in a poor part of town, walk down a back alley and count how many yards have pitbull types of dogs lunging at you every few houses. Sure, it is an issue of ownership, but it is also that the dog has been bread to kick serious ass.

I love dogs and have two rescues, and although I like them, I do not support pitbulls.

[Flashpoint]

It’s unfortunate. The problem is purely that the bite is so dangerous.

I know pit bulls that can be lovely. But that one time they get freaked out, that bite can kill. That’s the difference between them and almost every other dog, and is supported by the statistical data.

I think it’s horrible that’s the case. I wish it wasn’t. But they are super dangerous through no fault of their own simply due to genetics. Steps should be taken to ensure they are owned responsibly, and I liked the earlier suggestion of mandatory insurance as a compromise.

There has to be recognition, and accountability.

[OMG!WTF!]

I know a real PitBull that gets bossed around by a 20 pound duck toller. I was playing tug o war with the PitBull...which I lost badly at...and the duck toller came over and chewed him out for being crazy. It's very much a psychological thing with dogs. If you could mandate pit bulls live with other dogs you might have a better chance at a normal, social, safe dog.

(is my phone capitalizing PitBull cause mr.worldwide?)

[Reneeee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

There are also other larger breeds that are just as capable of killing a human. If every pit bull attacked humans like a wild dog I’d agree they probably should be banned as pets but the fact that there are so few incidents relative to the total number of pit bulls in the city leads me to believe there’s probably more to the issue than just the breed.

This is literally the guns don't kill people, people kill people battle. But if that person didn't have a gun, he wouldn't have been able to kill 58 in Vegas.. stupid argument for pitbull, theyre a dangerous breed. It's why nobody in Canada owns Alligators, Lions or Komodo Dragons, they're unfit as pets.

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[PepsiFree]

Is there any good, unselfish reason for having/breeding any sort of pet, period?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Dalmatians are insane. Like they actually have a problem.

Aren't Dalmations the most inbred dog in the world? They have tons of health problems. I would never want to own one or be around one.

[Reneeee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Aren't Dalmations the most inbred dog in the world? They have tons of health problems. I would never want to own one or be around one.

Dalmatians are not the problem. Cruella DeVille is the problem here

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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

It’s unfortunate. The problem is purely that the bite is so dangerous.

I know pit bulls that can be lovely. But that one time they get freaked out, that bite can kill. That’s the difference between them and almost every other dog, and is supported by the statistical data.

I think it’s horrible that’s the case. I wish it wasn’t. But they are super dangerous through no fault of their own simply due to genetics. Steps should be taken to ensure they are owned responsibly, and I liked the earlier suggestion of mandatory insurance as a compromise.

There has to be recognition, and accountability.

It's not only the killing but the permanent disfigurements left behind by pitbulls. 645 in 2017.

http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/0...-by-pit-bulls/

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Dalmatians are insane. Like they actually have a problem.

Dalmations have a higher than average incidence of deafness. Only 70% of dalmations have hearing in both ears. I think that contributes to a portion of their behavioural tics.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is there any good, unselfish reason for having/breeding any sort of pet, period?

Absolutely yes. That's why we have dogs in the first place.

[mivdo]

Originally Posted by Reneeee

Dalmatians are not the problem. Cruella DeVille is the problem here

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I think she was the problem solver.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is there any good, unselfish reason for having/breeding any sort of pet, period?

Umm, yes?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Either you're misquoting him or your brother has zero clue what he's talking about.

Bulldogs may not be the smartest but they aren't aggressive and they are the furthest thing from untrainable and the furthest thing from one owner dogs. If he knew anything about dogs he'd know that isn't true of Pittbulls and bull terriers either.

Police and armed forces use working type dogs and guard type dogs like shepherds for a reason. If you're trying to train a bulldog to be a drug sniffing or criminal chasing type of dog then its the trainer that's the problem not the breed. Your brother has a clear bias toward a certain type of dog for training because that's the kind of dog he's supposed to be training.

If any trainer told me a breed was stupid, useless and untrainable I'd suggest they aren't a good trainer.

For one. He's not my brother(please read!) and 2, I think he has trained over 600 dogs so unless you have some real stats that prove his 35 + years experience is BS I simply can't buy your stats. I'm not sorry to say but I'll take his word over your "science" of dogs twice on Sundays.

[AltaGuy]

Dog breeds are all fake anyway - so I think that a concerted effort to breed less powerful pitbulls is a good start. There’s no reason to want one made-up breed over another, so just get rid of the aggressive traits and excessive power with selective breeding.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is there any good, unselfish reason for having/breeding any sort of pet, period?

Lol of course there is! Strange comment.

[The Familia]

I don’t get why people would even want to own one of these things. They are not very attractive dogs. Those beedy eyes, droopy mouth, thick head and neck. They just look like ####ers.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by RichKlit

Lol of course there is! Strange comment.

Ok... what is it? I mean I get the purpose of animals that actually do some sort of work, but beyond selfish reasons, what are the reasons for simply having a pet (dog, cat, bird, fish) other than “I like it.”

Could there not be plenty of reasons given to just ban pets in general, instead of just one breed of one animal?