2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I'm shocked there are people who are saying that Hamilton is too much of a liability defensively but are preaching patience with Bennett. Hamilton is 24 years old and doing quite well learning the game as a defenceman. He certainly has accomplished a lot more at his position in 4 NHL seasons.

Just so we are clear. You're shocked that that is the drum the media has been banging about Hamilton for two years now?

I mean fans are saying it too and they all have a point. Hamilton takes lazy penalties. Perhaps he is misunderstood character wise but he really hasn't helped change that specific narrative either.

As for Bennett who is two years younger, why wouldn't you give more rope to him?

And if you're looking to hang people who want him traded because he sucks or they think he sucks, you're gonna be left holding on to that noose for a while.

I think people are saying that the player thats going to return the best value to help the team become better over all is none other than Dougie Hamilton. Only others that can fetch a similar return are far more locked into this core than Dougie.

Truth is, the Flames may take a dip in defensive point production if Dougie is traded but thats going to balance out the forward production where it should be better overall in terms of points and wining games.

What the Flames can do without is undisciplined penalties, and the two who commit them the most is Bennett and Hamilton.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think if Toronto works to solidify their D, it is not at the expense of one of their top forwards.

lol wat? Marner is not one of their top forwards?

[CliffFletcher]

An intriguing target for a trade is Kyle Palmieri. RH shot RW. Pure goal-scorer. Speed. PP specialist. He wouldn't come cheap, as he's the Devils' top RW and a popular hometown boy. But he'd tick a lot of boxes. And he's only 27.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

An intriguing target for a trade is Kyle Palmieri. RH shot RW. Pure goal-scorer. Speed. PP specialist. He wouldn't come cheap, as he's the Devils' top RW and a popular hometown boy. But he'd tick a lot of boxes. And he's only 27.

I actually really wouldn’t mind him as a pickup. Would definitely cost Brodie + fox

That would be fair value imo

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Barca

lol wat? Marner is not one of their top forwards?

You must have misunderstood. No, of course he is. What I was saying is I don’t think Toronto is going to trade a top forward to improve their D.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't think they trade Marner for Hamilton straight up.

1st pairing defencemen are typically worth more than wingers. NHL trade history says so.

Don’t think Treliving will trade Hamilton 1 for 1. If we do deal him it will be for multiple A level assets IMO, 2-3. Otherwise you don’t deal him, we certainly aren’t desperate to move him

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

1st pairing defencemen are typically worth more than wingers. NHL trade history says so.

Don’t think Treliving will trade Hamilton 1 for 1. If we do deal him it will be for multiple A level assets IMO, 2-3. Otherwise you don’t deal him, we certainly aren’t desperate to move him

Value is related to team need as well. Toronto won’t be calling for Hamilton unless it’s cheap. Which it won’t be.

They won’t move Marner.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I'm shocked there are people who are saying that Hamilton is too much of a liability defensively but are preaching patience with Bennett. Hamilton is 24 years old and doing quite well learning the game as a defenceman. He certainly has accomplished a lot more at his position in 4 NHL seasons.

I’m not sure anyone is saying Hamilton is too much of a defensive liability to keep.

What I would say is that Hamilton’s compete level in his own zone may mean he’s not untouchable. Don’t think the Flames are actively trying to move him. Haven’t seen many posters that are of that opinion either.

My opinion is that it’d be fine to keep him. But if someone blows Treliving’s socks off and offers a 1st line forward plus a 1st rounder and/or top prospect because that team is desperate for a top pairing RH dman then maybe you listen.

I think everyone outside of Ricardo thinks Hamikton is worth a ton. Some people want to keep him which I understand. But I can also see a scenario in which a desperate team offers a boatload of value for him. At that point I don’t think Treliving sticks his fingers in his ears. He listens and if he can improve the team overall by dealing Hamilton then you have to consider it.

What would it take to consider moving Hamilton? A ton. We won’t be giving him away. But Hamilton’s value is so high that a desperate team may offer Treliving a ton for him.

[Weitz]

I think you are more likely to see a 1-for-1 trade for Hamilton then a package.

Not that I think he would be traded. I think he stays.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think you are more likely to see a 1-for-1 trade for Hamilton then a package.

Not that I think he would be traded. I think he stays.

Who, in your opinion, are the potential “ one’s” for Hamilton?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Value is related to team need as well. Toronto won’t be calling for Hamilton unless it’s cheap. Which it won’t be.

They won’t move Marner.

Fair enough. We don’t need to move Hamilton

But TOR does have a massive need for a top pairing RH defensemen. I’m not convinced they would move Marner either, I suspect he might be nearly untouchable . But would they give up Nylander and a 1st and maybe something else? Maybe that gets it done. Depends how much TOR would value Hamilton.

IMO Hamilton is more valuable than Larsson. Larsson got Hall. Treliving isn’t trading Hamilton for anything less than a package as valuable as Hall+ IMO. If a team is so desperate for Hamilton that they offer a massive value for him, that’s the only scenario he moves IMO. But that isn’t far fetched at all. Some teams are desperate for an offensive RH top pairing dman. Desperation can lead to substantial offers

[Saqe]

Considering Dougie was acquired for a first rounder and two seconds, I'd say that's what should be expected as a return.

Yes, he's more established but also carries a bigger price tag. And why is a young, top pairing guy getting traded again? That would be a red flag for any other team for sure.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yes, he's more established but also carries a bigger price tag.

He's a young top pairing D-man locked up for under 6 million for several more seasons.

You've got that concern backwards.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It wouldn't surprise me if Bennett, Hamilton and Fox are moved out for players and draft picks. Probably in a series of moves and for different reasons.

Treliving said as much (in my opinion) during season ending interviews that changes (people other than coach would be held responsible) would come as a result of last season.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

It wouldn't surprise me if Bennett, Hamilton and Fox are moved out for players and draft picks. Probably in a series of moves and for different reasons.

Treliving said as much (in my opinion) during season ending interviews that changes (people other than coach would be held responsible) would come as a result of last season.

One of those players is not like the others.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Fair enough. We don’t need to move Hamilton

But TOR does have a massive need for a top pairing RH defensemen. I’m not convinced they would move Marner either, I suspect he might be nearly untouchable . But would they give up Nylander and a 1st and maybe something else? Maybe that gets it done. Depends how much TOR would value Hamilton.

IMO Hamilton is more valuable than Larsson. Larsson got Hall. Treliving isn’t trading Hamilton for anything less than a package as valuable as Hall+ IMO. If a team is so desperate for Hamilton that they offer a massive value for him, that’s the only scenario he moves IMO. But that isn’t far fetched at all. Some teams are desperate for an offensive RH top pairing dman. Desperation can lead to substantial offers

Larsson for Hall is the greatest trade for CP because you can always use it as a measuring stick even though at the time everyone knew it was horrible trade and now even more so.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by timbit

One of those players is not like the others.

Is it Fox? He is not a NHLer
Is it Bennett? He is a F
Is it Dougie? He is really tall.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by timbit

One of those players is not like the others.

What is this supposed to mean? Very little to connect Fox, Bennett & Hamilton.

Let's hear it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What is this supposed to mean? Very little to connect Fox, Bennett & Hamilton.

Let's hear it.

Are you serious ?

One finished 9th in Norris voting last year. The other 2 are hopefuls with potential. Yes, Bennett is a forward with a ton to prove.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by timbit

Are you serious ?

One finished 9th in Norris voting last year. The other 2 are hopefuls with potential. Yes, Bennett is a forward with a ton to prove.

So what's your point?

Lebowski said it wouldn't surprise him if those three players were moved out, and your response was 'one of those three is not like the others'

Curious to know what your thoughts are, beyond these three sentences.