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Old 04-28-2018, 06:44 PM   #221
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The team is younger, faster, more talented, and has a deeper farm system, and a stronger management team than they had the day he was hired.
5 years later they're in the exact same position they were when he came in. Out of the playoffs. You might think the management team is stronger, I think they're a mess with no clear idea of how to build a true top tier team. time will tell.
They should be more talented, they've finished out of the playoffs 3 of the 5 years.
There's a reason he's no longer with organization.
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Agree to disagree. He bungled every single one of those trades hard, and it set the franchise back for years.
Feaster was saddled by old players with big contracts and is responsible for drafting two of this teams top line players. If anything set this team back years, it was the person giving out all those big contracts with no movement clauses long before Feaster got here.
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Old 04-28-2018, 07:00 PM   #223
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Feasted was an awful hockey evaluator and had no buisiness as a gm. He should have been a capologist and team lawyer max.


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I feel thats somewhat disingenuous though.

Feaster was brought in to be the hatchet man. The guy to take the fall for trading the big names.

He did his bit and did it well. I harbour no ill-will towards him.
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Agree to disagree. He bungled every single one of those trades hard, and it set the franchise back for years.
Nope, he did the best he could with what he had. Those trades were going to 100% suck no matter who did them, Feaster was just the hatchet-man.
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Old 04-28-2018, 07:22 PM   #226
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I feel thats somewhat disingenuous though.

Feaster was brought in to be the hatchet man. The guy to take the fall for trading the big names.

He did his bit and did it well. I harbour no ill-will towards him.
Nah, he was brought in because Edwards didn’t have comfort in the control Sutter had and Feaster somehow someway got the ear of Edwards and was the anti Sutter..open, playing to Edwards frustration with Sutter. Once he got his foot in the door as assistant GM, only a matter of time before he layed it on thick to get them to punt Sutter and move him upstairs.

Again, played to his bosses the exact opposite of Sutter’s approach. He empowered King and Edwards and the owners that he was going to ask input on all major decisions, ask advice as they are all successful businessmen etc etc. Again, played those guys like a violin. Plus, he did need thier help, he had no relationships left in the league since his messy Tampa exit.

As for the public messages, turn up the music in dressing rooms, get more skilled and quicker even if that means smaller players etc. Using media mouthpieces such as Dreger to spin rumours and cuddle up to the press.

His ace in the hole and was trying to get Richards. To clear the salary decks, the terribly forced and horrendous Regher liquidation the week before at the draft. Taking a run at Ryan Smyth the same night. He likely knew he had no shot vs the Rags when it came to Richards, but it would prove that he had GM skills and contacts etc, either for his bosses, or to convince himself that he could do the job.

Sending Conroy to the minors,unannounced to the room, was another terrible, messy move. Conroy basically was forced to quit. Sure he got a job but it was about as poorly handled for a vet as was possibly and caused a revolt in the room.

By the time the honeymoon was over after the first season and a half, it was pretty clear to the owners the guy was more hot air then substance and he needed input because he had no gm’s in the league trust him, and he was pretty impotent as a GM when it came to trades. Cammaleri fell in his lap with his Montreal comments, for example, and they would’ve taken an inanimate carbon rod that night (instead they got Bourque, not far off).

His Cervenka mess up, lauding this guy all summer as the centre the Flames are waiting for Iginla, and Cervenka arrives in camp, and his first media scrum Roman acts surprised at the comments about being a centred, says he’s actually a winger first.

His rant about big changes coming if the Flames don’t pick it up this game in an intermission, and then nothing. He had nothing, no power. He had no contacts. He had no GM friends thanks to his arrogance and greasiness in his time at Tampa and on how that ended. The hockey community is pretty small in that regard and he was flailing.

Freddy Modin as one trade deadlines only acquisition? Who lasted 4 games. Again, his NHL Rolodex contained only Tampa players and personnel who weren’t upset st him. Hartley was extended family. The guy was a hack.

After the ROR near epic disaster, he was muzzled for 3 weeks, which was an enternity for him. Only poppped back up when laying ground work for the Iginls trade. If it wasn’t when it was in the season, he would’ve been fired..and still would’ve been if the Flames would’ve been able to find a capable candidate in the days following that. As Duha says that embarrassement around the league was the last straw for the owners, and Edwards made his mind up then to find someone with acutal league credibility.

Him then crapping on Iginla and his agent after the trade, then patronizingly applauding Bouwmesters agent a week later was the last straw for most agents too. Iginla certainly had some special treatment and entitlement, which he was likely promised at a pay grade above the GM, but given all the other arrogance and incompetence that this guy showed in handling situations and opening his big mouth too often, he’s not absolved from any blame by any means from the fallout. And the Bouwmeester trade was simply terrible.

As for drafts, there is a reason Wisebrod is still employed and he is not.

Bottom line, he wasn’t a hatchet man. He suckered some extremely frustrated owners, that doing and being and saying the complete opposite from Daryl Sutter was the way to go, and am sure flashed his Stanley Cup ring whenever some owners felt uneasy with his approach. He turned that into a multi year gig where through lack of proper experience and relationships, he mishandled trades, players, agents and other GMs to the point where the Flames franchise’s reputation for being honest, fair, and easy to work with, was in the toilet.

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Duhatschek specifically mentioned the ROR fiasco and comments from other team's people. That deal would have cost them ROR, Monahan and a third.

There's a reason Feaster is not in hockey ops any more, and is a community relations guy.
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Some of Feaster's failures were our greatest successes.
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Except that his biggest potential screwup was his not understanding the CBA provision that affected the ROR deal. And yes, I know he maintains that the NHL was wrong but most people don't think so, and the NHL would be the decision maker at first instance.
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The same posters who constantly whine about Treliving trading a mid first 4 years into the rebuild are the same posters who defend Feaster for trying to trade a top 10 when the rebuild was just starting.
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The same posters who constantly whine about Treliving trading a mid first 4 years into the rebuild are the same posters who defend Feaster for trying to trade a top 10 when the rebuild was just starting.
Are they? There's hundreds of active posters here, is it possible it's different people complaining and championing different things? It seems very possible.
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No I'm talking about certain posters specifically.
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:49 AM   #233
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5 years later they're in the exact same position they were when he came in. Out of the playoffs. You might think the management team is stronger, I think they're a mess with no clear idea of how to build a true top tier team. time will tell.
They should be more talented, they've finished out of the playoffs 3 of the 5 years.
There's a reason he's no longer with organization.
Looks like this is obvious to only a few. The team still fails to perform to anyone's expectations,and will continue to be mediocre for the foreseeable future,the same as they have always been.
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:52 AM   #234
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Nope, he did the best he could with what he had. Those trades were going to 100% suck no matter who did them, Feaster was just the hatchet-man.
I cannot agree with that. Sure, he was put in place to be that guy, but he still had to do better than what he did. With all three trades, he got less than he should have.

Iginla, Bouwmeester and Regehr, for:

Agostino
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Klimchuk
Cundari
Berra
Poirier
Byron
Butler

there is no defending that
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I cannot agree with that. Sure, he was put in place to be that guy, but he still had to do better than what he did. With all three trades, he got less than he should have.

Iginla, Bouwmeester and Regehr, for:

Agostino
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Klimchuk
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there is no defending that
Actually there is, unfortunately.

Those guys were borderline worthless by the time they were allowed to be traded.

Look, theres no defending the fact that we as a franchise sat on these players too long, but at some point they had to be removed and the team obviously wanted assets in return.

When I call Feaster a 'hatchet man' I mean it. They picked a GM that they knew they werent going to employ for long and his job was to do the dirty work.

And he did it.

He didnt get much for it, but in that respect he was more or less set up to fail because it was far too late by the time he even got started.
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How was Bouwmeester borderline worthless?
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How was Bouwmeester borderline worthless?
Same as Regehr.

Some posters just like to play devils advocate. Feaster blew in trades. Sure his hands were tied with Iginla, but he botched the Bouwmeester and Regehr trades really bad.
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GMs brought in for the first painful stages of a rebuild are rarely around for long. The team is going to be worse 3 years into his tenure than when he took over, because that's the nature of rebuilds.

Did Feaster bungle some of the deals in the rebuild? Yes, he did. But if we're pointing fingers at how and when the rebuild took place, then a finger needs to be pointed at Ken King (and presumably ownership) for letting his man-crush on Iginla delay the rebuild of the roster until well past its best before date. And Sutter bears some responsibility too, for leaving Feaster with the worst collection of under-28 players and prospects in the NHL.
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How was Bouwmeester borderline worthless?
Because he was overrated to begin with and he got found out in Calgary.

I like Bouwmeester, just not at his salary for what he brings, but he was always thought of as the 'Big Fish in a Small Pond' when he was in Florida and then we acquired him and.......he was pretty much exactly what he was.

But trading him on his Cap Hit was always going to be hard and not a lot of value was ever coming back the other way.

And St. Louis has done great things with Bouwmeester...I think they won....no they didnt.
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It was embarrassing how many posters were defending the ROR fiasco as if Feaster was the smartest GM in the league when the plain truth was we came this close to losing Sean Monahan and being set back for another decade. Feaster is one of the biggest morons ever to get a GM job.
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