2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

What's with that list? Giordano's not on it...but Seabrook is?

It's from two years ago. He was considered a great shutdown defenseman still at that point.

While scoring 49 points by the way. More than Brodie has ever scored.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Saqe

So a #1 defenseman is less sought after than a second pairing guy, who hasn't looked all that good the last couple of years?

I would think it's logic. O wise one.

But it's not OEL vs Brodie.

It's OEL for one year, when ARZ is going to be bad again and then he leaves, for Brodie for 3 more years at a decent cap hit.

There is a definite value change when you get OEL for a useless year and then he walks. Brodie is nowhere near an equivalent, but he does when he's on your team for 3 years at 4.6. It's very similar to why Hamonic is/was worth so much.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Saqe

It's from two years ago. He was considered a great shutdown defenseman still at that point.

While scoring 49 points by the way. More than Brodie has ever scored.

I wouldn't even consider Brodie top 40 but Giordano is certainly top 20, which is my gripe with this list.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

What's with that list? Giordano's not on it...but Seabrook is?

The Blackhawks are gonna get out of that damn contract aren't they?

Seabrook probably has the worst contract in the league. He's a 3rd pairing guy on a team with hardly any defensive depth

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wouldn't even consider Brodie top 40 but Giordano is certainly top 20, which is my gripe with this list.

True, at that moment Giordano should have been easily on the list over guys like Ekblad or Klingberg.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So the same source that told Rasta Masta that Burke was stepping down, also provided this information about Tavares.

That really is interesting.

Flames would likely have to move out Stone, and buyout Brouwer to make it happen but if they did that and then filled the rest of the roster with guys on an ELC they could probably offer up to a $10M per season contract.

was never a believer in the notion that JT would ever sign somewhere other than NYI, mainly because NYI would literally open the bank to ensure they don't lose him for nothing.

Optically, that would be a disaster for NYI, so i could see them approaching McDavid levels, if the alternative they were facing was losing him for nothing.

but UFA's don't have to sign for the max; if JT is close with Hamonic, that counts for something, especially if the Flames offer is competitive...

While i am still pretty skeptical on whether it would ever happen, it might not be Mission Impossible either.

[CliffFletcher]

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Barca

He's been into so many scrums i thought he would at least have some fights... but i stand corrected.

but my point still remains, he is way more physical than Hamilton.

I don't read into the +- stat because you have to consider the team he's playing on.

the fact that he put up those numbers offensively on Arizona should tell you how good he is and can be playing on a much better team.

Compare his +- to other players on his team then.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You haven't watched a game of him. Yes, he cheats on defense because it's Arizona and they are terrible but unlike Brodie he can turn on the switch and actually play defense if he wants. And look elite while doing it.

There is a reason why teams are after him and not Brodie.

Hahahahaha. Really? The Coyotes are my home market, so I am forced to watch their garbage product more than I care to admit. I'm really curious how many Coyotes games you see each year? I mean, why would anyone actively seek out a team as bad as the Coyotes as a target of interest without it being the only game in town? Doesn't seem likely.

Also have to laugh at suggesting OEL has the ability to flip a switch and become an elite defensive player. I mean, why wouldn't he just flip the switch and leave it on, earning himself Norris trophy after Norris trophy, and millions of dollars in benefits. Not a smart guy if he had this skill. Reality is that he doesn't.

If teams have interest in him I would be very curious know what they would be willing to cough up for him. The risk associated with his game is huge. I can't see his value much different from Brodie. Better offensively than TJ, but way worse defensively.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

Backlund 14 goals
Frolik 10 goals
Bennett 11 goals
Brouwer 6 goals
Stajan 4 goals
Lazar 2 goals
Hathaway 4 goals
Versteeg 3 goals
Jagr 1 goal


After the 1st line and Tkachuk depth scoring was brutal and especially the bottom six was embarrassingly bad. Then at the end of the season we lost Monahan, Tkachuk and Brodie and dive bombed from playoff contention to 20th place.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by New Era

can't see his value much different from Brodie. Better offensively than TJ, but way worse defensively.

You are comparing him to TJ Brodie.

What's wrong with these guys then, are they all on glue?

https://www.nhl.com/news/drew-dought...an/c-281334346

Sorry, I'll just side on 99.9% of every hockey expert on the planet that OEL is better than Brodie.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

This x1000 hahahaha our teams a tire fire but lets leave it totally the same cause we should do better next year right????

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

The team has some good pieces and they have some bad pieces. It's not rocket science and it doesn't make sense to blame the players that performed well. The NHL is a 4-line league now, so only having 1 good line is not a recipe for success. That being said, I think Tre is gonna make some deep cuts, so you might get the shake up you're looking for.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

This x1000 hahahaha our teams a tire fire but lets leave it totally the same cause we should do better next year right????

Who is saying we should leave the team totally the same?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You are comparing him to TJ Brodie.

What's wrong with these guys then, are they all on glue?

https://www.nhl.com/news/drew-dought...an/c-281334346

Sorry, I'll just side on 99.9% of every hockey expert on the planet that OEL is better than Brodie.

Keep hanging onto that article thats two years old. Things don’t change at all. Ever.

I also wouldn’t get to excited about lists by some of these so called experts. Consider all of these “expert” projections.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-sta...son-edition-2/
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl...212620708.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news...31f9yktfgm9qk3
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...ing-analytics/

Experts. God bless their little hearts, and smaller brains.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So according to fans in this thread the Flames have two outstanding defencemen in Gio and Hamilton, a highly valuable and excellent 2nd pairing d-man Brodie, and a guy easily worth a 1st and two 2nds in Hamonic, and another solid 2nd pairing d-man in Stone.

Of course, they also have one of the best lines in the league. And one of the best shut-down lines. And all-star goaltending.

So how did a team with such an excellent roster finish 20th in the league?

Treliving knew he had a weak forward group but plan was to win with an elite defense corps.

I blame much of the season’s poor results on a mix between a flawed plan and an overrated group of defensemen. And I guess we’re about to find out how much coaching had to do with it.

[Monahammer]

Meh I think most of us believe the flames have one excellent pair (gio-doug, plenty of stats to back it up)
One critically underperforming pair (brodie hamonic) and one very average bottom pair. That and we have terrible scoring depth.

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ Don’t think you are speaking for “most of us” with this opinion. You would be surprised at the diversity of opinion of the failings of this team, and the perception of the various components on the roster. I think there are more that feel the roster is much better than it produced and the majority of the problem was mismanagement of the resources by a substandard coaching staff or flawed system more so than this belief that the roster is crap, save one defsnsibe pair and one forward line.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

was never a believer in the notion that JT would ever sign somewhere other than NYI, mainly because NYI would literally open the bank to ensure they don't lose him for nothing.

Optically, that would be a disaster for NYI, so i could see them approaching McDavid levels, if the alternative they were facing was losing him for nothing.

but UFA's don't have to sign for the max; if JT is close with Hamonic, that counts for something, especially if the Flames offer is competitive...

While i am still pretty skeptical on whether it would ever happen, it might not be Mission Impossible either.

I still think he will re-sign with the Islanders. Similar to Stamkos the other year he will get done, everything indicates he wants to stay there