Don't egg cars in Columbus or you'll be shot

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes I did and I also suffered the consequenses of my actions. Some were pretty severe

If it was my kid i'd be beating myself up for not doing a better job as a parent of installing right and wrong with my kids. Not sure if I could live with myself.

And as I explained it does not warrant death.

After reading through the thread more carefully I now see that.

But still, sometimes you can be the best parent in the world and kids will still be kids. I know kids that have had great parents, but their kids are never perfect. Sometimes it simply isn;t the parents fault.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

After reading through the thread more carefully I now see that.

But still, sometimes you can be the best parent in the world and kids will still be kids. I know kids that have had great parents, but their kids are never perfect. Sometimes it simply isn;t the parents fault.

You make a good point. My sister is going through alot of emotional pain in regards to my nephew. He has not been a nice kid and is causing her alot of grief.

[MagicallyAdept]

Wow, kind of an extreme reaction but maybe will teach the rest of the kids a lesson. A couple of years ago i was in friends car driving home from soccer practice and our car was egged by some young kids. My mate got out and grabbed one of the kids who wasn't so little and dragged him over to the car. He got a 4 pint carton of milk from his trunk (he had abviously been shopping before training) and poured it all over the kids head. Which was mighty funny. Revenge - best served slightly chilled and pastuerised.

[Looger]

wow, a lot of sympathy in this thread for a kid that probably had a more successful day than anyone else posting here ever has.

he went looking to anger people. check.

he went looking to endanger some lives. big check.

this kid reached total nirvana, the place reserved for those of us that just in the last moments of our earthly existence, realize at last why we were placed here.

i'll probably never accomplish, by my own standards, what this kid did by his own standards.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Looger

wow, a lot of sympathy in this thread for a kid that probably had a more successful day than anyone else posting here ever has.

he went looking to anger people. check.

he went looking to endanger some lives. big check.

this kid reached total nirvana, the place reserved for those of us that just in the last moments of our earthly existence, realize at last why we were placed here.

i'll probably never accomplish, by my own standards, what this kid did by his own standards.

What are you trying to get at. I don't mean to sound rude but you remind me of every philosophy student I have ever met, where you can talk/write a lot without actually saying anything.

So the kid died happy because he egged a car? He did something stupid (I don't know if I would say that it was endangering anyones life but that is just my perception) was murdered and that means he was successful? Did you even think before you made this post?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And I have another question for you...what if YOU came home one night to find your family tid up and gagged, with SOCKS in their mouths.They're screaming.Your trying to get in but there's too much BLOOD on the knob!!!!!

"Er-um, what is your question?"

"My question is about the budget."

Classic Simpson's BTW.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

He did something stupid (I don't know if I would say that it was endangering anyones life but that is just my perception) ?

Sure it was.

I have yet to meet a driver that would be able to concentrate on the road...while some punk kid was throwing items at his car....WHILE he was driving.

A thrown beer bottle paralyzed a neighbor of mine...but an egg won't?

[mykalberta]

how about the kids stop being jackasses and quit throwing Eggs at peoples cars - where are the parents of the delingquent malcontents. These are the same types that will father children and then not have enough money to support them so my tax dollars will be used.

To bad he got shot but I have very little sympathy for the kids.

MYK

[RougeUnderoos]

Funny thing, I always figured most of the posters on this site were males between 18 and 35, but it looks like many of us are actually old hens.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

how about the kids stop being jackasses and quit throwing Eggs at peoples cars - where are the parents of the delingquent malcontents. These are the same types that will father children and then not have enough money to support them so my tax dollars will be used.

To bad he got shot but I have very little sympathy for the kids.

MYK

Wow Ignorance at its finest, so kids that live in poverty are the only ones that are vandals or commit juvenile crimes? Well when I was 13 years old I egged a few houses did some stupid stuff and I am in my second year of business school and have paid my way through school without having to take out any student loans, I have friends that where much worse than I was and both currently have basketball scholarships to christen private schools and both have 3.8 GPA

For those of you who have little to no sympathy I would like to see your face if a cop came to your door told you your son was dead because after egging someone’s car he was shoot and killed

[Burninator]

Interesting thread. Here my 2 cents.

While I think what happen is a shame, and I don't agree with the shooter's actions at all. I don't think he is 100% at fault. He was provoked by the kid throwing the egg. One would assume that the shooter wasn't going around that day shooting people for no reason. So the child wouldn't have been shot hadn't he throwen the egg. With that said, did the kid provoke the driver enough to warrent him to use a gun? Absolutely not. Saying the driver overreacted is an understatement.

"Kids and their hijinx" situations seem to chage depending on their outcome. This situation seems to have the consensus that the kid was merely "just being a kid" and the shooter is a bad person. While another situation like the beer bottle and the neighbour living in a chairwheel because of it, although similar in actions of the kids, hardly have the same conculsion, of "boys will be boys." I'm sure this one was viewed with blame on the parents, or violence on tv, or rock and roll.

Another situation I remeber was two kids dropped a pumpkin off a bridge over Mcleod Trail and fell on through this womens windshield, who I believe died. Kids were of the same age of this one, and they were not trying to kill this person, but looking for the same effect as throwing an egg or a beer bottle.

It does seem no matter the situation that the kids do get "cut more slack" as it were. In my opinion the pumpkin and beer bottle situations upset me more than this current one as the they were totally unprovoked and were innocent bystanders.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Interesting thread. Here my 2 cents.

While I think what happen is a shame, and I don't agree with the shooter's actions at all. I don't think he is 100% at fault. He was provoked by the kid throwing the egg. One would assume that the shooter wasn't going around that day shooting people for no reason. So the child wouldn't have been shot hadn't he throwen the egg. With that said, did the kid provoke the driver enough to warrent him to use a gun? Absolutely not. Saying the driver overreacted is an understatement.

You cannot excuse shooting a kid because you were 'provoked'. There is no provocation on earth that justifies one using a gun unless their life is directly threatened. While the kids throwing the eggs were involved in a dangerous (and stupid) activity, the SUV driver's life was not in immediate danger when he decided to murder the kid. Regardless of what the kid was doing, there is _zero_ excuse for shooting him (unless he's shooting at you). Period.

"Kids and their hijinx" situations seem to chage depending on their outcome. This situation seems to have the consensus that the kid was merely "just being a kid" and the shooter is a bad person. While another situation like the beer bottle and the neighbour living in a chairwheel because of it, although similar in actions of the kids, hardly have the same conculsion, of "boys will be boys." I'm sure this one was viewed with blame on the parents, or violence on tv, or rock and roll.

I certainly hope it will be blamed on the shooter. Kids do dumb, wild things, we all do. If the kid was shoplifting and the store owner shot and killed him would we blame it on rock music and television? I'd hope we'd blame it on an over-zealous storeowner and charge him. Just because someone trespasses against you or vandalizes your property does not give you the right to kill them... in my opinion I guess.

Another situation I remeber was two kids dropped a pumpkin off a bridge over Mcleod Trail and fell on through this womens windshield, who I believe died. Kids were of the same age of this one, and they were not trying to kill this person, but looking for the same effect as throwing an egg or a beer bottle.

And those kids should be charged (as much as they can be as young offenders) for murder/manslaughter.

It does seem no matter the situation that the kids do get "cut more slack" as it were.

The kid wasn't cut slack though, he was killed.

[JohnnyFlame]

I'm thinking that what we did as kids was in a whole different world. Back in the days the worst you had to fear was they catch you and pound the snot out of you. And methinks for the most part in Canada that's probably still true.

But this ain't the story in the States and if I was parenting down there I would have long ago told my kids that this ain't the world of your father. Killed for what we would view as kids being kids --Yep that's true. But the times have changed and I'm afraid kids better learn to be a whole lot more careful. Sucks but you have kids down there killed in their sleep while gang fights go on outside of their building, killed in drive by's and you have people shooting people as they drive their cars and on and on and on.

Circumstances have changed and acts like this are looking for trouble and these days the trouble can well be a whole lot more than a punch in the nose. I hope the story does get wide coverage -- kids need to wise up!!

[Nicole]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

how about the kids stop being jackasses and quit throwing Eggs at peoples cars - where are the parents of the delingquent malcontents. These are the same types that will father children and then not have enough money to support them so my tax dollars will be used.

To bad he got shot but I have very little sympathy for the kids.

MYK

This statement is rather offensive b/c for one, by asking where the parent's are, it seems like they are getting some of the blame in this and who's to say the parent's weren't good parents who taught their kids right from wrong? I had very good parents when it came to teaching me right from wrong, they (especially my dad) punished me and my siblings when we did do something we shouldn't. The things is, is that we still did things that were wrong, regardless of the fact that we knew we would get in trouble if caught. When you're that age, most of time you are too immature to really think about conseqeunces and it is common at that age. I look back at stuff I did and I cannot believe how stupid I was but I just didn't think about the ramifications of things the same way I do now. There is a possiblity these kids have horrible parents that aren't doing their job and raising their kids right but there is also the possibility that they were doing the very best they could .. regardless, kids are still going to act dumb and make mistakes. Teenage boys especially (well most) do not think about the consequnces of their actions - it's the thrill they crave - blame it on testosterone.

The other thing I found offensive is the assumption that these kids would be the type to run out and father kids and not take care of them ... who are you to say that? My brother did a couple really stupid things when he was 15 .. he actually was charged for something (and yes, he was severly punished by my dad). Maybe people wrote him off then, I don't know but he is now 25, successful in his chosen profession, makes incredibly good money and is a great father - his child doesn't go without anything and my brother wouldn't have it any other way. He was once a stupid kid from a good family, who was punished for his mistakes, learned from them and went on to be a very mature, responsible adult. You just never know.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You cannot excuse shooting a kid because you were 'provoked'. There is no provocation on earth that justifies one using a gun unless their life is directly threatened. While the kids throwing the eggs were involved in a dangerous (and stupid) activity, the SUV driver's life was not in immediate danger when he decided to murder the kid. Regardless of what the kid was doing, there is _zero_ excuse for shooting him (unless he's shooting at you). Period.

Okay I don't think you understood my point. In no way did I give the shooter an excuse for killing the kid. I said the driver was provoked, and he was. But also I said "With that said, did the kid provoke the driver enough to warrent him to use a gun? Absolutely not." He provoked anger within the driver which resulted in a complete overreaction.

The kid wasn't cut slack though, he was killed.

I wasn't referring to this situation in particular. But other similar situations. It does seem like people are always trying to come up with excuses as to why young kids act out rather than blame the kids directly. But that is off-topic to this thread.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Nicole

This statement is rather offensive b/c for one, by asking where the parent's are, it seems like they are getting some of the blame in this and who's to say the parent's weren't good parents who taught their kids right from wrong? I had very good parents when it came to teaching me right from wrong, they (especially my dad) punished me and my siblings when we did do something we shouldn't. The things is, is that we still did things that were wrong, regardless of the fact that we knew we would get in trouble if caught.

Exactly. My parents were great, did everything right to raise me to know right from wrong. That didn't stop me from doing very stupid/illegal things. It wasn't my parents fault, it was my fault... and I'm glad someone didn't shoot me for it. Didn't any of you have good parents but you still did bad things?

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Exactly. My parents were great, did everything right to raise me to know right from wrong. That didn't stop me from doing very stupid/illegal things. It wasn't my parents fault, it was my fault... and I'm glad someone didn't shoot me for it. Didn't any of you have good parents but you still did bad things?

Yep but as I pointed out earlier the consequences these days especially south of the border are NOT the same. Acting stupid now may be your last stupid act. Can kids just be kids -- I'd say these days the answer is NO. For example : My parents let me wander around all day long and never worried unless I didn't check in by eight pm. No way would I do that these days and we live in relatively safe Calgary. It's a different world.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What are you trying to get at. I don't mean to sound rude but you remind me of every philosophy student I have ever met, where you can talk/write a lot without actually saying anything.

So the kid died happy because he egged a car? He did something stupid (I don't know if I would say that it was endangering anyones life but that is just my perception) was murdered and that means he was successful? Did you even think before you made this post?

i'm trying to get at the fact that no matter what, this tragedy could have been avoided by one person not going out and looking for it.

doesn't make the shooter 'right' or 'give him an excuse' despite the fact that people keep putting those words in peoples' mouths in this thread.

people are out looking for it, and other people are waiting for them. sometimes they meet.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Azure

Sure it was.

I have yet to meet a driver that would be able to concentrate on the road...while some punk kid was throwing items at his car....WHILE he was driving.

A thrown beer bottle paralyzed a neighbor of mine...but an egg won't?

Well does an egg hitting an SUV - on what was likely not a busy street considering the fact that the murderer was able to stop and chase after the youth - really mean that it was potentially deadly. Stupid yes - likely a deadly situation, not in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Looger

i'm trying to get at the fact that no matter what, this tragedy could have been avoided by one person not going out and looking for it.

doesn't make the shooter 'right' or 'give him an excuse' despite the fact that people keep putting those words in peoples' mouths in this thread.

people are out looking for it, and other people are waiting for them. sometimes they meet.

The kid was looking to get shot?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Well does an egg hitting an SUV - on what was likely not a busy street considering the fact that the murderer was able to stop and chase after the youth - really mean that it was potentially deadly. Stupid yes - likely a deadly situation, not in my opinion.

Likely not a busy street?

It doesn't take much to pull your concentration off the road...and create accidents.