2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He'd be 34 years when his contract expires if he signed 7 years. And, for me, the short answer to your question is - yes.

I think that I would have to agree. The Flames could probably afford it because they have good value elsewhere. I don't know how Tavares feels about his options, but at 11M for 7 Years or anything bellow, the Flames should be trying to make it happen.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Elite players, usually, don't fall completely off the cliff before their 35th birthday. With exceptions you can point to Lecavalier, Spezza or Nash this year, but almost for everyone of those guys you have an Alfredsson, Jagr or Selanne producing well after their 35th.

Marleau was scoring 70 as a 34 year old.
Thornton was scoring 76 as a 34 year old.
Sedins were scoring 75 as 34 year olds.
Iginla put up 86 as a 33 year old, and 67 as a 34 year old on a pathetic offensively team.
Of course Ovechkin almost scored 49 as a 32 year old this season and I don't think anyone expects him to fall completely in the next 2.

With Seattle entering the mold, we really don't know where the cap will go in 7 years either. 11M today really isn't even the much of the cap compared to other "top contracts" offered a decade ago.

[Oling_Roachinen]

For some perspective, when Gomez and Drury signed their 7M+ contracts, the cap was 50M. With a cap of 78M, those contracts would be the equivalent (in cap space) of 11M+ contracts today.

Although, both are a cautionary tale of not signing UFAs to crazy contracts.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Kadri would be the only guy the Flames should consider, 27 years old at 4.5 a year. He would carry a very steep price though.

He is exactly what the Flames need, and I have seen him erase Connor McDavid a couple of times.

That would be fun in the dressing room. Didn’t he threaten Giordano last year? Gio would walk up to Kadri everyday and ask, “How about today? You want to punch me in the face today Nazem? No? Ok, I’ll check in with you again tomorrow.”

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Dan403

1) Hamilton is NOT getting moved.

2) Nylander isn't that good.

Why are you so sure Dougie is not being moved?

They attached hos character in Boston, they had his brother on the team for some reason, he often looks lazy, there were rumors he was being shopped a year ago.

No guarantees he stays or goes in my opinion but you have posted more than once he is not being moved. Why are you sure of that?

[Oling_Roachinen]

They offered Dougie a max term contract, by nearly every account, and he refused. He wanted out, not the other way. It was only after he refused to sign in Boston did they seem to attack his character. Sour grapes by the Boston press shouldn't mean much.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

They offered Dougie a max term contract, by nearly every account, and he refused. He wanted out, not the other way.

They offered him a very similar contract but a rumor he wanted out because they refused to acquire Freddie. Could all be lies and we will find out this summer if he continues to be in the Flames long term plans.

He very well may but a lot is smoke from the local media he could be a guy on the way out.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why are you so sure Dougie is not being moved?

They attached hos character in Boston, they had his brother on the team for some reason, he often looks lazy, there were rumors he was being shopped a year ago.

No guarantees he stays or goes in my opinion but you have posted more than once he is not being moved. Why are you sure of that?

Because we don't have anyone internally to replace what he brings, we actually need more of what he brings to have success, and treliving is trying to build a winning team not trying to play fantasy gm

[CliffFletcher]

The Leafs don't need an offensive defenceman, they need a defensive defenceman. That was obvious going into the playoffs, and it's even more obvious now. I just don't see a match with the Flames.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They offered him a very similar contract but a rumor he wanted out because they refused to acquire Freddie. Could all be lies and we will find out this summer if he continues to be in the Flames long term plans.

He very well may but a lot is smoke from the local media he could be a guy on the way out.

Link it. I haven't seen any credible local media talk about trading Hamilton.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Link it. I haven't seen any credible local media talk about trading Hamilton.

Do you listen to 960?

Don’t believe me if you want I couldn’t care less but I would say reading between the lines they have hinted at it more than once

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Do you listen to 960?

Don’t believe me if you want I couldn’t care less but I would say reading between the lines they have hinted at it more than once

I just think you're reading the wrong thing between the lines.

Brodie was a leader on this team before Hamilton ever was. In the last two seasons, the biggest disappearing act, the player with the least heart and effort on the most consistent basis, and the player who doesn't seem as engaged as before hasn't been Hamilton, who put up his career high in points and leading the league in d goals. It has been TJ.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Because we don't have anyone internally to replace what he brings, we actually need more of what he brings to have success, and treliving is trying to build a winning team not trying to play fantasy gm

We don’t have offensive Dmen on the team?

Gio has had over 40pts several times with a 20 goal 56pt season in Dougies first year as a Flame. Brodie has multiple 40pt seasons. Andersson, Kylington, Fox are all Dmen with offensive ability. Dougie is a fantastic offensive Dman and a mediocre defiensive Dman.

Is Dougie a winner? He hasn’t covincned me. Treliving wants to build a winner. The teams strength is defense. Dougie could potentially return a top forward under 25. No one is looking to give him away here.

Brodie will likely return an equally flawed forward so maybe a second line guy. That is not what the Flames need imo. I prefer to trade Brodie as well but I seek a stud player in return and I feel only Hamilton carries that value.

People can discount it all they want but I was irked by the whole brother/baggage handler scenario over the past year and a half. It is clear the Yotes took Freddie as some kind of favor to the Flames (he barely played for them) and they felt a need to get rid of him. Dougie handled it poorly when the media asked him about it. I just feel he is one of those players that is part of the problem.

I don’t know this and could be wrong. Just my own opinion which is why I prefer him to be moved if a team is willing to pay the price to acquire him. That price is extremely steep

[kukkudo]

Have a gut feeling a big piece will be moving this summer. I'm preparing myself if it's Hamilton, Brodie, or even Gio. One of them moves to upgrade the top 6 and shake up the locker room.

[iloveicedhockey]

I'm not saying anyone is wrong with regards to dougie but I've noticed a bias on 960 recently. Kerr started off making a point about getting value for one of our defenceman, used Hamilton as an example, then went into a completely different point about that'd be twice he'd been traded so maybe something is up. It was bizarre.

Short of gaudreau and Chucky, Hamilton gets the most value in a trade. I think we're all expecting a big move but I'm not so sure. Hamilton for karlsson I'd *probably *be happy with.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dougie is a fantastic offensive Dman and a mediocre defiensive Dman.

Is Dougie a winner? He hasn’t covincned me.

People can discount it all they want but I was irked by the whole brother/baggage handler scenario over the past year and a half. It is clear the Yotes took Freddie as some kind of favor to the Flames (he barely played for them) and they felt a need to get rid of him. Dougie handled it poorly when the media asked him about it. I just feel he is one of those players that is part of the problem.

1. The Dougie/Gio pairing was widely considered to be one of the best pairings in the league and their advanced stats back this up before you even account for the fact that he seemed to be under utilized in both even strength and PP minutes by the coaching staff last year.

2. Is Dougie a winner? Either he is the most naturally talented defenseman in the league, managing to put up good possession metrics while being the top scorer at his position despite apparently not caring or trying hard, or people are falsely attributing his laid back attitude off the ice and percieved lack of intensity and physicality on the ice with him not caring about winning... which seems more likely?

3. Every person with a heart and a pulse wouldn't be happy if their brother was traded off their team. You're saying your opinion of him would be better if he lied to everyone and told them he didn't care? Keep in mind he played just as good or better after Freddie was traded away. He didn't sulk.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I'm not saying anyone is wrong with regards to dougie but I've noticed a bias on 960 recently. Kerr started off making a point about getting value for one of our defenceman, used Hamilton as an example, then went into a completely different point about that'd be twice he'd been traded so maybe something is up. It was bizarre.

Hamilton's been traded once, by the same GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Wheeler and eberle and managed to lose badly every time.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Hamilton's been traded once, by the same GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Wheeler and eberle and managed to lose badly every time.

Thats not true at all. Chia didnt trade Hamilton. The Hamilton trade was done by their current GM and that was his first move IIRC.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thats not true at all. Chia didnt trade Hamilton. The Hamilton trade was done by their current GM and that was his first move IIRC.

You are correct, I forgot that was right after chiarelli was let go.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i don't want to move Gio, who had a great year last year... that said, he is an interesting chip for a team like Toronto...

From the area, brings tons of leadership, character guy, plays a defensive game...

on the plus for the Flames, you get a big return as Gio is still looking really good, compared to say the Iggy situation, where Calgary waited 2 years too long.

i mean great players, but at some point you have to restock and a guy like gio could bring back significant pieces...

but the question is whether the team thinks Hamilton/Hamonic/Brodie are able to fill that void Gio would leave behind.