Islanders (Flames') First Round Pick

[PugnaciousIntern]

I wonder how much the lack of a solid, top-4 RHD played into that trade. AKA, how much of GG’s stubbornness played into it. That R-L pairing belief alone was not enough to fire the guy, but BT recognizes that the 2nd RHD in the lineup would be weak without bringing in Hamonic.

Imagine the kind of RW we could have acquired for that cost! Yes Hamonic plays a unique role in the team, but in the cap era, you can’t excel in all the boxes - just check as many as you can, and compromise.

Needless to say, although my mind says What’s Done Is Done, and the value traded was determined last summer, not this spring...I’ll be mighty upset if we aquired Hamonic for Dahlin and two 2nds

[Fire]

If the Islanders win the draft lottery it doesn't mean the Flames would have won the draft lottery if they still had the pick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I wonder how much the lack of a solid, top-4 RHD played into that trade. AKA, how much of GG’s stubbornness played into it. That R-L pairing belief alone was not enough to fire the guy, but BT recognizes that the 2nd RHD in the lineup would be weak without bringing in Hamonic.

Imagine the kind of RW we could have acquired for that cost! Yes Hamonic plays a unique role in the team, but in the cap era, you can’t excel in all the boxes - just check as many as you can, and compromise.

Needless to say, although my mind says What’s Done Is Done, and the value traded was determined last summer, not this spring...I’ll be mighty upset if we aquired Hamonic for Dahlin and two 2nds

You are creating one hole to fill another. Your statement about excelling all boxes applies to RW as well.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It would be incredibly bad luck for the Flames to pick to be first overall

2.5% chance

It would be far worse if the Oilers won the draft lottery.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are creating one hole to fill another. Your statement about excelling all boxes applies to RW as well.

Fair enough. My take is that the remaining and up-and-coming D are decent enough to cover, but nobody has been good enough to score on the RW and cover that hole.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Fair enough. My take is that the remaining and up-and-coming D are decent enough to cover, but nobody has been good enough to score on the RW and cover that hole.

IMO Hamonic is in a tight 1-2 with Gio as far as defence is concerned and Gio is getting old. I can't see any of the kids (or Brodie or Stone) being tasked with covering the best forwards on the other team yet.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's true every single time a 1st-round pick is traded before that year's draft lottery.

Trades involving major assets are already hard enough to make in the NHL. If GMs decide never to trade 1sts, they'll become nearly impossible.

That's an oversight on my part. I think, besides the draft, the most frequent time you see 1st round picks traded is on trade deadline day, and typically teams have a good feel where they are going to finish in the standings by then. Bubble teams rarely make that kind of move when they are that position that deep into the season.

[Buff]

Don't the Islanders have two chances to win the draft lottery?

Is there some rule in place that if the Flames pick wins then the Islanders pick can't?

In theory the Islanders can get two of the top three picks, no?

[red sky]

Originally Posted by Buff

Don't the Islanders have two chances to win the draft lottery?

Is there some rule in place that if the Flames pick wins then the Islanders pick can't?

In theory the Islanders can get two of the top three picks, no?

That is correct.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

What does interest me in the upcoming draft is to see what Treliving does. Does he 'sell' some players to recoup draft picks, especially if there is a guy that the organization likes enough at a certain spot? Do the Flames make a notable trade with a defencemen (either a roster player or one of their more highly touted prospects) for a roster player (or perhaps a prospect who is near NHL ready)? That's the only thing that I really care about when approaching this draft, rather than caring about something that the Flames no longer own and won't affect them at all.

Good question, I have to imagine that BT wants to get some picks back. It likely won't be a first, I can imagine that recouping a 2nd or 3rd round pick in a lateral move would feel like a big win. That said, it needs to be a player for a player trade. For example D man + 4th for a RW and a 3rd.
Trading prospects or players for picks would be spinning tires, and would not be conducive to improving the roster immediately, which is what they should be doing.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'm still cheering for the flames / islanders to win it. Means none of the Canadian teams get him.

That's how I see it to. What's done is done. Nothing we can do about it. So therefore the best case scenarios in order of importance are:

a) Edmonton doesn't win the lottery
b) Vancouver doesn't win the lottery
c) A WCF team doesn't win the lottery

The Isles winning the lottery means that none of those scenarios happen. Some people said it would be embarrassing and shameful if that happens. Frankly I don't give a crap about getting embarrassed if the Isles win it, whatever that may mean. It's not like I'm going to walk around Calgary with a red face, or going to cry about HF making fun of us. What's done is done. Now we just pray Edmonton, Vancouver or any other Western team doesn't get it.

Also to consider is that Hamonic is on a great deal with term left. It would be much worse if the Flames traded the 1st away at the TDL and he was UFA in the summer. But he's not. He's a long term asset that will be here for 2 more season at least and is a top 4 defenceman. The D as a whole underachieved this past season. So if they do rebound and play to their potential, Hamonic will play a big part of that.

If the Flames are in the playoffs, suddenly the trade looks good. But it's no where near as bad as some people are making it out to be.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I wonder how much the lack of a solid, top-4 RHD played into that trade. AKA, how much of GG’s stubbornness played into it. That R-L pairing belief alone was not enough to fire the guy, but BT recognizes that the 2nd RHD in the lineup would be weak without bringing in Hamonic.

Imagine the kind of RW we could have acquired for that cost! Yes Hamonic plays a unique role in the team, but in the cap era, you can’t excel in all the boxes - just check as many as you can, and compromise.

Needless to say, although my mind says What’s Done Is Done, and the value traded was determined last summer, not this spring...I’ll be mighty upset if we aquired Hamonic for Dahlin and two 2nds

That narrative is totally false as the Flames had to have a good idea that they would be able to sign Stone.

If Stone wasn't/ isn't a good top-4 RH D-man then Trevling should be fired for paying him as such.

Engelland was the Flames other RH who turns out to be a top-4 calibre d-man. Was he so fed up in Calgary that he would not have stayed for 2 M / year rather than the deal he got in Vegas?

[Stanley]

Whats the Flames chances of winning the lottery??


Would be something if BT somehow recouped a pick in the first 2 rounds

[Stanley]

I'm hoping the Habs pick Brady Tkachuk so my wife (habs fan) and I can have a battle of the Tkachuks

[Resolute 14]

Honestly, Treliving deserves to have to sit in Dallas and watch the Islanders take Dahlin first overall with our pick. Might serve as a good reminder of how he allowed this season to tank by remaining too loyal to a lame duck coach.

But, more importantly, the Islanders winning the lottery with our pick means the Oilers, Canucks and Blackhawks don't.

[Enoch Root]

Sunk cost, don't care.

If the Isles win the lottery, at least the Oilers and Nucks didn't.

Not looking forward to the incessant whining though.

[Flamenspiel]

Well, at this point whats done is done, but if the Flames do win the lottery(or even if the player turns out to be a big star as a lower pic)) then it will be big embarrassment to Treliving and will be at the top of the list of things mentioned when he eventually moves on. Of course it will be a few years before it all plays out.

However from a fans point of view its not so important. I would rather hope that all the eastern teams win the top three pics: Habs, Sabres, Senators, Islanders, Florida.. and so on. Missing out on even an 11th overall pic and having our rival get a top player would be a double blow.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That narrative is totally false as the Flames had to have a good idea that they would be able to sign Stone.

If Stone wasn't/ isn't a good top-4 RH D-man then Trevling should be fired for paying him as such.

Engelland was the Flames other RH who turns out to be a top-4 calibre d-man. Was he so fed up in Calgary that he would not have stayed for 2 M / year rather than the deal he got in Vegas?

I assume that he didn’t think Stone should be in the Top-4 when he went out and got another top-4 guy without moving anybody else. Of course, those players are fluid and he has played in the top-4 in the past, but BT clearly wanted an upgrade.

I’m not sure Engelland was fed up, as much he just wanted to play for his home town. Understandable, common, and something he’s said himself. If you have any quotes or other insider info, let us know. But who here truly thought that he earned full time in the top-4 during his time here, apart from that run into the playoffs with Gio down. He’s playing well for Vegas no doubt, but playing in the top-4 and having a bonafide top-4 D skill set are two separate issues

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Fire

If the Islanders win the draft lottery it doesn't mean the Flames would have won the draft lottery if they still had the pick.

Arguably Flames would have been worse without Hamonic and had an even better chance of winning or getting a better pick. Just makes the trade even worse.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Some people make it seem like we used all our expendable assets to get Hamonic

Reality is Treliving has a wealth of assets to use to try and get more scoring depth. We’ve lacked a Hamonic type ever since Feaster made the mistake of keeping Sarich over Regehr. Hamonic is still a key piece going forward as you need a defensive defensemen or two to compete.