Van hits multiple pedestrians in Toronto

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

The comments weren't racist because Islam isn't a race CHECKMATE LEFTISTS

Neither is Israel but when I hear ignorant cockwombles going on about Islam or Israel I know full well they mean brown people and jews.

[meritmat]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

No.

One side made the racist comments within the first couple pages of this thread. The rest of the posters jumped in to tell them to back off and wait until we get the facts.

There is no "both sides, many sides" in this. One side was immediately starting with the "oh great Muslims strike again" comments from the get go.

Our ask was to calm down with those comments while everyone pieces together what happened. And then of course they went silent until they were called out.

But let’s also be honest, I’m sure 90 percent of people thought the same thing once the attack happened due to the nature of the attack.

Never did see a use of singling out a group of people. There’s good guys and bad guy in each

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Mercedes Stephenson is a great reporter.

one of my regular follows, her and Laura Stone are very good on the Federal Government front.

I will admit though that Mercedes is a little too otter obsessed. But on the plus side, Spiders are not her friend.

https://twitter.com/user/status/988922307581239296

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not specifically talking about this board only friend.

I'm not your friend, buddy!

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by meritmat

But let’s also be honest, I’m sure 90 percent of people thought the same thing once the attack happened due to the nature of the attack.

Never did see a use of singling out a group of people. There’s good guys and bad guy in each

That's called being prejudice though.

You'd be unfairly judging an entire group of people (whether it be race/religion/colour) based on the perceived actions of a few. Atleast that's what I get when people say stuff like "I bet I can guess this guy's religion".

They should just include the infamous disclaimer of "I'm not a racist but...."

[meritmat]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

That's called being prejudice though.

You'd be unfairly judging an entire group of people (whether it be race/religion/colour) based on the perceived actions of a few. Atleast that's what I get when people say stuff like "I bet I can guess this guy's religion".

They should just include the infamous disclaimer of "I'm not a racist but...."

The same but different

I guess we all walk a very fine line from time to time

[blankall]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Mercedes Stephenson is a great reporter.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with her on this one. It sounds more like Mannassian had fairly large autism issues:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...n-rampage.html

In a 2009 interview with the Richmond Hill Liberal, a Sona Minassian said her son lives with a condition called Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism, and relied on Helpmate, a social service community program whose lack of funding threatened to shutter it.

“My son would spend afternoons working with Helpmate. They were sensitive to his needs,” she said, not naming her son.

“He was able to take the experience provided by Helpmate and apply it. This kind of service for my son wasn’t available elsewhere. I am convinced that if we didn’t have Helpmate, my son would not have had such an opportunity,” Sona Minassian said of the job her son was able to land at a local IT company.

Minassian was part of a special needs program at Thornlea Secondary School, said former classmate Will Cornish, 25. Minassian didn’t behave violently, he said, but could be seen in the hallways twisting his hands together.

“He (had) notable special needs,” Reynolds said of Minassian, citing his behaviour of making meowing noises and hugging his arms around himself in the hallways at school.

He said he was surprised to hear Minassian was the suspected driver as he didn’t believe Minassian would be able to drive given his special needs condition. Reynolds said special needs students were well supported at Thornlea, and doesn’t believe Minassian was a bullying victim.

Shannon Goel, 25, said Minassian was in her Grade 5 class at Sixteenth Avenue Public School in Richmond Hill. When she heard his name reported on the news she got out her old yearbook.

“I just remember him acting out,” she said. “He would throw fits, he would always act out, and it was hard for people to control him.”

Stephenson is trying to paint him out to be an example of male entitlement.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm not entirely sure I agree with her on this one. It sounds more like Mannassian had fairly large autism issues:

Him being autistic is neither here nor there. Is there a correlation between having autism and going on a violent murder spree that I'm not aware of?

Stephenson is trying to paint him out to be an example of male entitlement.

If, after the authorities complete their investigation, it turns out that the Facebook post about the "Incel rebellion" was indeed written by Manassian and he was found to hang out on incel forums that routinely advocate for violence against women (see PsYcNeT's earlier post about acid attacks and mass rapes), then it most definitely was about male entitlement.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Him being autistic is neither here nor there. Is there a correlation between having autism and going on a violent murder spree that I'm not aware of?



If, after the authorities complete their investigation, it turns out that the Facebook post about the "Incel rebellion" was indeed written by Manassian and he was found to hang out on incel forums that routinely advocate for violence against women (see PsYcNeT's earlier post about acid attacks and mass rapes), then it most definitely was about male entitlement.

Him having autism is most certainly relevant, as many people are trying to politicize this event. I've seen multiple reporters now trying to link Mannassian's actions to various alt right movements.

It looks more like a socially isolated individual who snapped. He probably isn't a person capable of properly seeing how his behaviours are perceived, and, therefore, properly discerning wrong from right. It was likely only a matter of time until he latched onto a "hero" like Elliott Rodger.

Also, yes, there is indeed a link between between autism and violent murder sprees:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27185105

Basically, my point is that Trump getting elected had nothing to do with this act.

[afc wimbledon]

I doubt there is a human being on God's sweet earth that isn't depressed, autistic, paranoid, dealing with addiction, oppositional conduct disorder, FASD, ADHD or ADD etc, etc, everybody is something, we are all broken, that is the nature of being human and anytime anyone overdoses, goes on a shooting spree, commits suicide it is some level of 'broken' that causes it, of course the reality is 'broken' is in fact 'normal' and the issue is how do you stop the quite normally dysfunctional morons we all are from hurting ourselves or others.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I doubt there is a human being on God's sweet earth that isn't depressed, autistic, paranoid, dealing with addiction, oppositional conduct disorder, FASD, ADHD or ADD etc, etc, everybody is something, we are all broken, that is the nature of being human

Care to back that up with any stats? On the surface it's a completely ridiculous statement, not to mention that there are degrees of these disorders that need to be considered. Someone having social anxiety to the point where they think everyone in the room is looking at them funny isn't on nearly the same level as a schizophrenic with paranoid delusions.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by blankall

It looks more like a socially isolated individual who snapped. He probably isn't a person capable of properly seeing how his behaviours are perceived, and, therefore, properly discerning wrong from right. It was likely only a matter of time until he latched onto a "hero" like Elliott Rodger.

#### youuuu dude.

As someone on the spectrum (shocker!), dealing with the 'tisms doesn't make you a goddamn sociopath. High-functioning folk have issues with facial/posture subtleties, picking up on social cues, and dealing with incidental triggers. This does not mean however that we lack a moral compass or can't learn to identify and handle these things with a lot of work and effort. Jesus christ, we're awkward, frequently make asses of ourselves, and often don't understand why people are mad/annoyed/frustrated with us, but Autism doesn't make you blind to why mowing down 23 people with a rental van is evil.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I doubt there is a human being on God's sweet earth that isn't depressed, autistic, paranoid, dealing with addiction, oppositional conduct disorder, FASD, ADHD or ADD etc, etc, everybody is something, we are all broken, that is the nature of being human and anytime anyone overdoses, goes on a shooting spree, commits suicide it is some level of 'broken' that causes it, of course the reality is 'broken' is in fact 'normal' and the issue is how do you stop the quite normally dysfunctional morons we all are from hurting ourselves or others.

While I disagree with the point that "everyone is broken", I totally agree with the point that regardless of motivation, any and all of these attacks are based in mental illness.

Be it incel, islam, Nazism, Christianity, bullying, revenge etc - the motivation is really only a piece of the puzzle. The underlying bedrock in getting to a place where you would perpetrate this sort of attack is mental illness. Really highlights how important and impact of an issue it is on everyone in society.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I doubt there is a human being on God's sweet earth that isn't depressed, autistic, paranoid, dealing with addiction, oppositional conduct disorder, FASD, ADHD or ADD etc, etc, everybody is something, we are all broken, that is the nature of being human and anytime anyone overdoses, goes on a shooting spree, commits suicide it is some level of 'broken' that causes it, of course the reality is 'broken' is in fact 'normal' and the issue is how do you stop the quite normally dysfunctional morons we all are from hurting ourselves or others.

Careful there. A bit of an idiosyncrasy or bout of sadness does not put one the same level as someone with actual OCD or depression. Sure, people like to call themselves all sorts of clinical terms. I’d bet those that would actually want to be at that level would be nil.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Ducay

While I disagree with the point that "everyone is broken", I totally agree with the point that regardless of motivation, any and all of these attacks are based in mental illness.

Be it incel, islam, Nazism, Christianity, bullying, revenge etc - the motivation is really only a piece of the puzzle. The underlying bedrock in getting to a place where you would perpetrate this sort of attack is mental illness. Really highlights how important and impact of an issue it is on everyone in society.

If you include stupidity as a form of mental illness then I can sort of agree with you if I squint a little.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I doubt there is a human being on God's sweet earth that isn't depressed, autistic, paranoid, dealing with addiction, oppositional conduct disorder, FASD, ADHD or ADD etc, etc, everybody is something, we are all broken, that is the nature of being human and anytime anyone overdoses, goes on a shooting spree, commits suicide it is some level of 'broken' that causes it, of course the reality is 'broken' is in fact 'normal' and the issue is how do you stop the quite normally dysfunctional morons we all are from hurting ourselves or others.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Care to back that up with any stats? On the surface it's a completely ridiculous statement, not to mention that there are degrees of these disorders that need to be considered. Someone having social anxiety to the point where they think everyone in the room is looking at them funny isn't on nearly the same level as a schizophrenic with paranoid delusions.

Yeah, I'm none of those things either. AFC is severely generalizing and he's wrong.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Be it incel, islam, Nazism, Christianity, bullying, revenge etc - the motivation is really only a piece of the puzzle. The underlying bedrock in getting to a place where you would perpetrate this sort of attack is mental illness.

And people wonder why there's still such a stigma around mental illness.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I find it ironic that the one time we get a smart phone video of a cop not shooting a suspect there is outrage he didn't waste the guy.

Great cop though.

The irony hasn't been lost on me, either. I've spent some time in other places asking folks why they feel it was ok to shoot/this guy should have been shot. Emotions are quite a thing.

To be honest though, I have a feeling that that video is going to be going into training programs as a textbook example of signs/behaviors of someone trying to suicide by cop. He did pretty much everything he could except actually shoot at police.

Huge kudos to that cop for being able to remember/stick to his training and recognizing the situation.

[afc wimbledon]

The point I'm trying to make is once you go out and spree kill people start diagnosing you, fully 50% of the population at some time in life has a bout of clinical depression, it isn't diagnosed nor is social anxiety disorder (used to be called being shy) or any of the myriad spectrum disorders we now have the ability to diagnose via a checklist in the DSM that not one poster here couldn't find a category for themselves in if they chose to look.

I've got plenty of friends who are techies who could be a bit autistic, they work odd hours and then go home and play Warcraft endlessly, no one calls them autistic until they do something stupid or grim and then we start looking for a reason, the truth is we all exist on a spectrum of dysfunction at times but almost none of us are diagnosed because it is so normal to be shy or sad or eat to much or drink to much or watch to much porn or hockey or what ever.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The point I'm trying to make is once you go out and spree kill people start diagnosing you, fully 50% of the population at some time in life has a bout of clinical depression, it isn't diagnosed nor is social anxiety disorder (used to be called being shy) or any of the myriad spectrum disorders we now have the ability to diagnose via a checklist in the DSM that not one poster here couldn't find a category for themselves in if they chose to look.

I've got plenty of friends who are techies who could be a bit autistic, they work odd hours and then go home and play Warcraft endlessly, no one calls them autistic until they do something stupid or grim and then we start looking for a reason, the truth is we all exist on a spectrum of dysfunction at times but almost none of us are diagnosed because it is so normal to be shy or sad or eat to much or drink to much or watch to much porn or hockey or what ever.

Jesus Christ, what an ignorant post. There's a major difference between being shy and having crippling anxiety to the point of panic attacks when out in public. There's a difference between being a little sad and being depressed to the point of considering or attempting suicide. You're talking out of your ass.