2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Madman]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Let's just play pretend for a bit. Say Tre makes a huge bid for Johnny T, and is willing to pay him 11.5m+. What kind of package will it look like?

Brodie, Bennett, 2019 first(friggin protected this time), and Adam Fox? Does that come close to getting it done?

Are we willing to Trade Dougie in a package? I would hate to lose such a young stud dman, but I'd be willing to for an elite player like Tavares.

What do we think?

EDIT: This is obviously assuming its a sign and trade by the Isles.

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[YourMother]

Sorry guys. My bad. I assumed there was still a high % chance the Islanders would do whatever they could to sign and trade, rather than lose Tavares for nothing. I’m quite apparently wrong about that.

[442scotty]

Some crazy #### people on here are smokin !

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Sorry guys. My bad. I assumed there was still a high % chance the Islanders would do whatever they could to sign and trade, rather than lose Tavares for nothing. I’m quite apparently wrong about that.

I mean it seems slightly logical. But

1. Sign and trades never seem to happen in the NHL
2. If Treliving thought Tavares would sign here why wouldn’t he wait until he was UFA
3. Why would Tavares randomly decide he’ll sign with the Flames when he can wait and talk to every team during the courting period?

It doesn’t really make sense from the Flames perspective or Tavares’ perspective. Sure the Isles would love to trade Tavares for a boatload but it just isn’t realistic. His negotiating rights might be worth something like a 2nd or more but that’s about all a team would risk for no guarantee or signing him. It’s in Tavares best interest to get to the open market and get all the offers he can and his agent knows that full well

[dammage79]

I'm honestly fascinated by the lack of having one inkling what Treliving is going to do this off season.

I feel he has made it clear he has an ax list for the roster he has. And I don't think anyone can guess who's on it either. That's the interesting part.

I'm excited and a little scared. Treliving pulls some crazy stuff in the offseason. What he does now being a little pissed off is another thing all together.

Wouldn't shock me to see guys like Hamilton or Bennett hit the road. Or any number of other players.

It'll be interesting to see what he and Peters come up with too. I feel like those two are going to be the Hive mind of an illithid colony and everyone else just taps in once in a while.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm honestly fascinated by the lack of having one inkling what Treliving is going to do this off season.

I feel he has made it clear he has an ax list for the roster he has. And I don't think anyone can guess who's on it either. That's the interesting part.

I'm excited and a little scared. Treliving pulls some crazy stuff in the offseason. What he does now being a little pissed off is another thing all together.

Wouldn't shock me to see guys like Hamilton or Bennett hit the road. Or any number of other players.

It'll be interesting to see what he and Peters come up with too. I feel like those two are going to be the Hive mind of an illithid colony and everyone else just taps in once in a while.

Yes i think some players are on the move. I found it interesting Peters said he doesn't want players that get easily intimidated. Brodie, Hamilton and Monahan are all candidates. I don't care who he trades but this team needs more scoring punch upfront.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Yes i think some players are on the move. I found it interesting Peters said he doesn't want players that get easily intimidated. Brodie, Hamilton and Monahan are all candidates. I don't care who he trades but this team needs more scoring punch upfront.

Yea let’s trade our only 30 goal guy who played through eventual hip, wrist and hernia x 2 surgeries before finally getting shutdown for the season so we can get more scoring up front and a player who is less intimidated.

Honestly Monahan is the most fan-undervalued player in the league... he’s not going anywhere especially at the contract he’s locked up at and nor should he be traded.

Hamilton maybe... but again; 40 to 50 points potentially a 60+ point RHD when he starts to peak and we have 3 draft picks invested into him... we don’t trade Dougie unless it’s for a player of similar age/skill/contract in a greater area of need than the D and really that should be where we are dealing from.

Hamilton for Nylander + 1st is something I could seriously see.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Nylander/Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland/Nylander
Brouwer - Lazar - Foo
Hathaway

Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - Hamonic
Andersson - Stone
Kylington

Smith
Gillies

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by YourMother

Sorry guys. My bad. I assumed there was still a high % chance the Islanders would do whatever they could to sign and trade, rather than lose Tavares for nothing. I’m quite apparently wrong about that.

I'm sure the Islanders are all for your idea, but the other 30 GMs are not going to trade a whole lot of players/prospects/picks for nothing. JT ultimately has the cards, and that is the reason why no one is going to bite.

If the Islanders really wanted to have a return on JT, they would have traded him during the trade deadline. But, they were still in the playoff race at the time.

[Heavy Jack]

If NYI lose JT for nothing that will be a disaster...

[Flamesfan2010]

With the praise that Peters was giving Gio and Hamilton, I don't think Hamilton is going anywhere.

[RT14]

I’m clearly in the minority here but completely agree with the few who are of the “buy low, sell high” mentality.

Brodie’s value is at its lowest in last 5 years and yet, he has proven chemistry playing on the right side with Gio. Hamilton’s value is at an all time high and should, theoretically, net us a far better return. Unless some GM is going to offer a great return for Brodie based on the hope he’ll bounce back with a change of scenery I’d rather put my money on the risk that Brodie stands a better chance bouncing back paired with Gio, maximize the return I get for trading one of our top Dmen, and increase Brodie’s value going forward at the same time.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by RT14

I’m clearly in the minority here but completely agree with the few who are of the “buy low, sell high” mentality.

Brodie’s value is at its lowest in last 5 years and yet, he has proven chemistry playing on the right side with Gio. Hamilton’s value is at an all time high and should, theoretically, net us a far better return. Unless some GM is going to offer a great return for Brodie based on the hope he’ll bounce back with a change of scenery I’d rather put my money on the risk that Brodie stands a better chance bouncing back paired with Gio, maximize the return I get for trading one of our top Dmen, and increase Brodie’s value going forward at the same time.

Yeah this theory only works if brodie "Bounces back"

There's no guarantee at all that he will do that, and if he doesn't we are suddenly very thin on d. That would be a disaster.

Trading our top scoring Dman because we hope we can get max value for him now is a total oilers move. It only makes sense if you don't actually value winning hockey games and instead are just in it for fantasy crap.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by R2theJ

I honestly think we are more likely to see a Dougie Hamilton trade than a Brodie trade... Brodie's value is at its lowest, Dougie's is much higher. I could see Tre making a deal with the Coyotes
To Arizona:
Dougie Hamilton
Adam Fox (rights)
Michael Ferland
Parts - Shinkaruk, or Mangiapane, or Poirier, or
Klimchuk

To Calgary:
OEL
Max Domi
2018 2nd

Brodie back with Gio
OEL with Hamonic
Valimaki and Anderson fight for #6 spot beside Stone

Gaudreau with Monahan and Bennett
Domi takes spot on line with Tkachuk and Janko
Frolik with Backlund and Brouwer

I don't think that gets it done man. In reality the deal would have to be:

Monahan
Hamilton
Fox
Ferland
Joey Mullen
German Titov
Beau Levy Mitchell
Pat Stienberg

OEL
Domi
2nd

I would start with that and see if Arizona takes it. Might have to throw in the 2019 first.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Yea let’s trade our only 30 goal guy who played through eventual hip, wrist and hernia x 2 surgeries before finally getting shutdown for the season so we can get more scoring up front and a player who is less intimidated.

Honestly Monahan is the most fan-undervalued player in the league... he’s not going anywhere especially at the contract he’s locked up at and nor should he be traded.

Hamilton maybe... but again; 40 to 50 points potentially a 60+ point RHD when he starts to peak and we have 3 draft picks invested into him... we don’t trade Dougie unless it’s for a player of similar age/skill/contract in a greater area of need than the D and really that should be where we are dealing from.

Hamilton for Nylander + 1st is something I could seriously see.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Nylander/Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland/Nylander
Brouwer - Lazar - Foo
Hathaway

Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - Hamonic
Andersson - Stone
Kylington

Smith
Gillies

I get the love for Monahan but he sure gets alot of injuries for a guy that doesn't play a heavy game. But i agree he isn't going anywhere. I would keep Hamilton and try trade Brodie and Stone for Eberle and Ho Sang. Something like that would help us and the NYI need D bad.

[Bunk]

It seems rather obvious that one of the only ways the Flames will be able to substantially upgrade their roster - save for a long shot signing Tavares - is trading a couple D to improve our Forward group. At some point, we have to take the gamble that our young D crop is ready to make the jump.

[SeanCharles]

I wish people would stop with the trade Hamilton and Monahan talk. Those two along with our two top LWers are the last 4 players Treliving should be considering moving. I honestly doubt he would so I don't know why we speculate about it so much.

Those 4 are the foundation of our core group - they are all young, high end and cost controlled for the next handful of years. How many players are that much better than them that we would be upgrading our team by shipping them off?

If we trade guys from our top 6 defence my thoughts are Gio, Hamilton and Hamonic are the last ones to be considered as trade bait.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Hamilton for OEL is a massive loss for the Flames. Arizona would be all over that deal and laugh their way to the bank. OEL is the most over rated defenseman in the league. The guy can’t play in his own end and makes TJ Brodie look like Chris Pronger.

Anyone that pays Tavares anything over $9M is setting their team up for disaster. I’m not certain I would even pay him that. People keep throwing around Connor McDavid money, but the guy is clearly no Connor McDavid and does not deserve that type of money. Tavares doesn’t have that ability, and doesn’t have the ability to change a game like the elite in the game. He’s a top end player, but he is not the game changer some people are making him out to be.

The Flames have a good lineup as it is. They are a player or two away from a great lineup, but neither of the players suggested gets the Flames anywhere. I hope Treliving brings in a scoring winger to play in the top six, and then a little more speed in the bottom six. I think the answers to the team are already on the roster, it just has to be addressed by how the pieces are used.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I wish people would stop with the trade Hamilton and Monahan talk. Those two along with our two top LWers are the last 4 players Treliving should be considering moving. I honestly doubt he would so I don't know why we speculate about it so much.

Those 4 are the foundation of our core group - they are all young, high end and cost controlled for the next handful of years. How many players are that much better than them that we would be upgrading our team by shipping them off?

If we trade guys from our top 6 defence my thoughts are Gio, Hamilton and Hamonic are the last ones to be considered as trade bait.

I wouldn't worry about it as fans can talk about it as much as they want but it's not going to happen as Monahan, Hamilton, and Tkachuk are probably the only three Flames players guaranteed to still be on this roster in five years.

[bax]

Lebrun had some interesting tidbits from 2016 on twitter today.

He was talking about the Leafs getting Frederick Anderson and mentioned that the Flames were hard after him too.

It only cost the Leafs a late first round pick, but Lebrun believes the Ducks wanted more from Calgary since they are in the same division. They wanted to swap first rounders.

They ended up with Max Jones at 24 and we took Tkachuk at 6 so I can see why the Flames turned that one down.

Could not imagine Matty on Anaheim

[Toonage]

I saw LeBrun's tweets about that this morning. What was the point exactly of him bringing that up now other than to make Flames fans feel bad? lol

I mean the Flames did fine, they have Tkachuk. Andersen is in the playoffs and doing alright. Now. Just seemed like a pointless thing to bring up.