Reaction to coaching hire

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

I expected these kind of results after his interviews and I still think it's tilted.

Love it, like it, neutral, don't like it, hate it. There's some significant grey area and easy outs in the options, which people are likely to take over pinning down an opinion for people to refer to later.

We're all in wait and see mode now, so as I said before, I don't think that's a good option.

Forcing people into an opinion when they don’t yet have one isn’t a good approach. And apparently most people aren’t in wait and see mode based on the results
But if you have an issue with that response just toss out any of those answers and only look at those that did have an opinion already

[FlamesAddiction]

I have learned to take a wait and see approach. I didn't like the Darryl Sutter or Hartley hires initially, but I ended up liking them in the long run. My initial reaction to the Peters hire was a little 'meh', but it doesn't bother me. He talks a good talk and if he and Treliving can work together to retool the roster, perhaps it can be a great thing. I think it is really important for coaches to have the GMs ear and we don't really know if Peters had that in Carolina.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Doesnt matter. The team needs a massive overhaul on player personnel if we want to make the playoffs yet alone win a stanley cup.

[CGY12]

I was against the hire in the first place, mostly because I feel BT jumped the gun in one of the most crucial times in the clubs recent history. Hiring a guy without at least sitting with other candidates and hearing their input/perspective on the team and where they feel the club needs to go, is a miss in my opinion. The good thing is this is probably the last we see of him IF this fails.

I did like what I heard from Peters during the press conference. I hope the activation of the D and pushing the pace up ice is something we see next year. Seems to have the back bone that is needed with this club. The only thing I didn't want to hear that we heard is his acknowledgement of Brouwer on the team. Guy needs to go!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Doesnt matter. The team needs a massive overhaul on player personnel if we want to make the playoffs yet alone win a stanley cup.

Massive overhaul seems like hyperbole to me. I think we're one scorer away from having contending depth if the new coach can get something out of Bennett/Jankowski. The Flames aren't very far away at all IMO. The line between solidly in the playoffs and barely out is very fine.

[oldschoolcalgary]

the PC moved the needle for me a little...from my initial wait and see position at least

Peters seemed down to earth, and someone you could relate to...he was pretty open about past mistakes he made...

Talk is just talk. Absolutely.

but as a leader of men, of a team, you have to be able to relate and command their respect.

So far, so good

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

Doesnt matter. The team needs a massive overhaul on player personnel if we want to make the playoffs yet alone win a stanley cup.

See that is where I disagree. Last year there were just under four games where the Flames didn't play Gulutzan hockey.

One of them was the game on Halloween. I don't remember who we played against but the storyline that morning was how the players were skated hard which was unusual under Gully. We can out and looked elite.

The next few were all a string of games on a road trip near the end. One was in Pittsburgh where our D were incredibly active and aggressive with TJ Brodie leading the charge. The next in Buffalo the game after. And finally the first period of the win in Ottawa. Those three games were unlike the Gully era - a different style of play - but the team looked like a legitimate cup contender in them. I don't think teams like Nashville or San Jose do anything we can't. Even Boston/Tampa/Pitt, while stacked at forward are not cup locks. The cup is within reach if this team plays that style of play we saw on that road trip.

This is a team that has a top scoring line that, healthy, should be good for about 90 goals even with a poor PP It's a team with a 2nd line that has actually carried them into the dance before. It's a team with a blue line that should be top 3 or top 4 along with the likes of CBJ /Nashville / Tampa offensively. These are all traits of a team that's closer than their record states.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Massive overhaul seems like hyperbole to me. I think we're one scorer away from having contending depth if the new coach can get something out of Bennett/Jankowski. The Flames aren't very far away at all IMO. The line between solidly in the playoffs and barely out is very fine.

Yup.

But they need to make a MAJOR move...something that entirely changes the forward group as it is currently constructed.

[Party Elephant]

I haven't seen any of the interviews, nor have I seen much Carolina hockey over the last several years so I'm in the "wait and see" camp. Hope for the best, but I did want someone with more of a track record like Vigneault.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup.

But they need to make a MAJOR move...something that entirely changes the forward group as it is currently constructed.

I think they need 1 more forward who can drive offence or an elite finisher. And then it should be possible to construct 2 scoring lines and an elite checking line that can score as well.

Guys who drive offence: Tkachuk, Gaudreau
Solid 1st liners: Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau
Solid complimentary top two liners: Ferland
Possible top two liners: Jankowski, Bennett, maybe Mangiapane someday, maybe Foo someday
Elite checkers with some offence: Backlund, Frolik

Not that many pieces short if Bennett, Jankowski really flourish under Peters. But one more offence driving forward or elite finisher would really give us the depth to survive injuries. Contender teams have that kind of depth. We could really have a triple pronged attack with 3 strong lines.

Given the depth on D it seems natural that a deal moving a defenseman for a forward would happen. Possible trade candidates IMO would include Brodie, Stone, Fox and Hamilton (only if you get an insane offer of multiple A level assets.)

[stang]

Can we get a “should have gone with Eakins” choice for the Oilers fans?

[CaptainYooh]

I don't like this hire for several reasons, all of which have been discussed extensively. In addition, the fact that Treliving did not even consider interviewing the two best available coaches (Sutter and AV) made me dislike it even more.

At this point, I have no other choice but to be hopeful and wish wholeheartedly that I am wrong on this and that Peters actually can dramatically improve Flames' performance going forward.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They are intended to be slightly negative and slightly positive.
I’m guessing this is one of those cases where since the results don’t match what some people expect the poll must be flawed

I think people think the poll is flawed is it's trying capture emotion rather than opinion. An emotion less poll would be Stongly dislike, dislike, neutral, like, strongly like, unsure. Or pessimistic vs optimistic.

Instead you have to filter through oddly phrased statements and parse it back to those traditional options. You can also hate the hire and take a wait and see approach at the same time.

Though I don't it would change results too much in this case.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

See that is where I disagree. Last year there were just under four games where the Flames didn't play Gulutzan hockey...

This kind of stuff is nothing but tabloid-level overreaching and assertion.

Fans see things that they like and don't like, and then they attach these features to characters whom they likewise either admire or condemn. As such in this instance, anything you liked about the past two years under Gulutzan's coaching you dismiss as outside of his "system," while everything that you loathed you project as characteristic of how he coached. It is an absurd approach that reduces "Gulutzan hockey" to a straw man.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I don't like this hire for several reasons, all of which have been discussed extensively. In addition, the fact that Treliving did not even consider interviewing the two best available coaches (Sutter and AV) made me dislike it even more.

At this point, I have no other choice but to be hopeful and wish wholeheartedly that I am wrong on this and that Peters actually can dramatically improve Flames' performance going forward.

Hate it exactly because of this.

From the moment GG was fired, the Peters rumors were already flying. There did not appear to be any consideration of the other possible candidates, or even other possible off-season candidates (like Carlyle or Boudreau or Trotz).

I mean I think the decision can turn out good and the Flames have a roster good enough to make even a terrible coach (GG) look passable in a year where they had very few key injuries, but I'm very disappointed that we didn't consider a wider gamut of options.

[gargamel]

I think the team needed to drastically change both the message and the messenger. Peters is a much better messenger, which makes me cautiously optimistic, but he's only going to make some tweaks to the message, which makes me hate it.

The fact that his NHL teams have been consistently poor while having consistently low shooting percentages makes me a little nervous, though I haven't seen enough Carolina games to say whether that's on Peters. Either way, I do at least love it that Gulutzan is gone.

I guess that means I should vote wait and see.

[Dion]

I'm also on the fence in regards to Treliving and his ability to choose the right coach. The quickness in which the hiring took place surprised me and made me wonder if he ever considered the other candidates out there. Guess he wanted Peters all along.

As a fan I want this to be the right choice as i'm tired of the ongoing carousel of coaches that have come and gone in the organization. Now, more than ever we need stability at the coaching level so this team grow and reach the next level.

[Itse]

Not how you construct a poll yeah. Not that it matters, but it's still bad. Vague options that don't form a clear continuum with the neutral option at the bottom an additional only indirectly related option "don't think it matters" to further confuse the matter. D-

The results are still likely in the ballpark. Only a clear minority have a strong opinion either way, which is to be expected since Peters isn't a well-known coach.

[tfi racing]

Don't think it matters. This time next year the discussion will be the same because the overall result will be the same, the same as it has been for decades with this team.Same hopes,same dreams,same failures-nothing ever changes in Calgary and likely never will.

[calumniate]

The thing that worried me about gulutzan from the start was his 'emotional bank account' statement. I was like, you realize this is the flames right? You'll get into the red pretty quick!

What I liked about Peters was the general sense of communication and leadership, and willingness to play to people's strengths.

Wanted av but am cautiously optimistic