So we heard you repeat over and over and over and over how you didn't like this hire when it was being rumoured, and how you don't think Treliving is a good GM. And over.
But now that the hire is official, and we heard Peters speak today... the above is all you have to say?
Nothing productive to comment about hearing Peters speak?
Or are you just going to parrot the same negative crap a few more dozen times?
It was before Peters speaking. If you can’t see the humor in my comments I am not concerned. If your hobby is policing an online forum, more power to you and thank you for your contribution.
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It was before Peters speaking. If you can’t see the humor in my comments I am not concerned. If your hobby is policing an online forum, more power to you and thank you for your contribution.
With your constant repeating your negative opinion over the last week, it was easy to miss the humour.
Still waiting for your contribution now that you apparently have heard him speak. Any time now.
Speed is also about effort. This team did not play hard all year. So if Peters can motivate them, the team will be better automatically, system flaws or not.
Players did play hard. Why do you think we held a playoff spot as long as we did. In fact, right around the 5 day mandated break, we were sitting in the top 10 in the standings. To say this team didn't work hard all season long is a cop out.
Blaming coaches for a lack of motivation in my opinion is beyond foolish. Players don't play for their coaches, they play for their teammates, they play for jobs, they play for more minutes, they play for their families, they play for their legacies. If these things don't motivate a player enough, then there's always someone right behind them that's willing to take their place.
With your constant repeating your negative opinion over the last week, it was easy to miss the humour.
Still waiting for your contribution now that you apparently have heard him speak. Any time now.
If you have an opinion on Peters feel free to state it. I have no problem with it, whether negative or positive. If I like it I will add a like, if I don’t I won’t get worked up about it.
People need to relax, it’s an online forum, enjoy it. Too many threads are derailed by off topic posts attacking/questioning other posters rather than talking about the topic on hand.
I stated my opinion earlier in post 1776. If there are some forum rules I’m violating, let me know. If you’re just bored and feel the need to police the forum that’s up to you.
Players did play hard. Why do you think we held a playoff spot as long as we did. In fact, right around the 5 day mandated break, we were sitting in the top 10 in the standings. To say this team didn't work hard all season long is a cop out...
No. I completely disagree with this. Watching the Flames on a nightly basis it was obvious much of the time that they had more to give, and were either incapable or unwilling to give it. There are really hard working teams like the Vegas Knights, the Columbus Blue Jackets, and the Vancouver Canucks, and there are teams which appear to be lamentably short of the same tenacity from one night to the next. The Flames seemed to work MUCH harder for Hartley than they did for Gulutzan—for whatever reason.
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If you have an opinion on Peters feel free to state it. I have no problem with it, whether negative or positive. If I like it I will add a like, if I don’t I won’t get worked up about it.
People need to relax, it’s an online forum, enjoy it. Too many threads are derailed by off topic posts attacking/questioning other posters rather than talking about the topic on hand.
I stated my opinion earlier in post 1776. If there are some forum rules I’m violating, let me know. If you’re just bored and feel the need to police the forum that’s up to you.
You seem pretty worked up over being questioned about it.
I added my thoughts a few page back. Was lukewarm on the hire when rumoured, but after hearing him speak I was impressed and am cautiously optimistic.
I was genuinely curious as to what you thought after hearing him speak, and
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Burke should be fired as well. I wouldn’t be happy if he hired another Treliving. Ken King should be evaluated as well. I’m not a believer in putting a bandage on a cancer patient.
didn't seem to answer anything other than was another re-packaging of your 'unhappy with everyone' schtick you've been repeating ad nauseam.
I was pretty impressed with what I heard for the most part, and thought it would be interesting to hear some analysis from someone at the far end of the negative spectrum. Guess that's too much to ask for in your case as you just seem interested in repeating the same thing over and over.
I'm not policing anything. Was asking you for your thoughts, but since you have no interest in anything other than repeating the same thing I won't make that mistake again.
Any idea on how Peters plans to handle established Flames players with big long term contacts?
Eric Staal basically admits he was tired of NHL hockey as a 29 year old making 8.25 cap hit and was so relieved to get out and traded to the Rangers after 150 games under Peters.
Staal over his career was a better player than anyone currently on the Flames has shown he had a lot of elite hockey left in him that Peters was not able to tap into.
Any idea on how Peters plans to handle established Flames players with big long term contacts?
Eric Staal basically admits he was tired of NHL hockey as a 29 year old making 8.25 cap hit and was so relieved to get out and traded to the Rangers after 150 games under Peters.
Staal over his career was a better player than anyone currently on the Flames has shown he had a lot of elite hockey left in him that Peters was not able to tap into.
gotta just hope that the whole staal thing was just an anomaly of a situation
Any idea on how Peters plans to handle established Flames players with big long term contacts?
Why would he have said anything specifically about this? If the coach is constructing his roster on the basis of player salaries he is doing it wrong. Bill Peters is the coach, not the General Manager.
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Eric Staal ws relieved to be playing hockey in Minnesota. Where does he ever discuss that being connected directly to the head coach?
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Staal over his career was a better player than anyone currently on the Flames has shown he had a lot of elite hockey left in him that Peters was not able to tap into.
I think "a lot of elite hockey left" is a huge stretch when applied to a 33-year-old forward who is coming off his best season in eight years.
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gotta just hope that the whole staal thing was just an anomaly of a situation
It likely was just the circumstance of the whole thing, every coach has those situations where a player just isn't a fit.
Staal didn't have a very good season under Mueller the season before Peters got there, and was even worse in his limited time in New York under AV than he was under Peters.
Brown was a buyout candidate under Sutter and a 30 goal / 60 point guy this season.
Even on that same team Boudreau struggled to get a lot out of Parise in his time in Minnesota until the last 6 weeks of this season.
You seem pretty worked up over being questioned about it.
I added my thoughts a few page back. Was lukewarm on the hire when rumoured, but after hearing him speak I was impressed and am cautiously optimistic.
I was genuinely curious as to what you thought after hearing him speak, and
didn't seem to answer anything other than was another re-packaging of your 'unhappy with everyone' schtick you've been repeating ad nauseam.
I was pretty impressed with what I heard for the most part, and thought it would be interesting to hear some analysis from someone at the far end of the negative spectrum. Guess that's too much to ask for in your case as you just seem interested in repeating the same thing over and over.
I'm not policing anything. Was asking you for your thoughts, but since you have no interest in anything other than repeating the same thing I won't make that mistake again.
Not worked up at all I just don’t get profoundly annoyed by other posters/posts. Being a forum monitor or policeman isn’t one of my hobbies and tracking down other people’s posts to make some sort of case against them holds no interest to me.
On Peters, I don’t put much stock in what he has to say on his hiring day. Did Gulutzan say something bad on his first day to lead us to believe he was a bad coach? I think most coaches will say the right things on day one regardless.
I put more stock in his track record and hard facts.
- Losing record as a coach in the NHL
- None of his teams have qualified for the playoffs in the NHL
- Medicore coaching record in the AHL (Didn’t Win a playoff round)
- Average coaching record in the WHL (outside of one excellent year)
- Terrible coaching record in College hockey
- Won a playoff round in only 1 of 10+ years over 4 different levels of hockey
- Not sure if other candidates were considered
Do I want him to succeed in Calgary? Yes, I’m a Flames fan. Do I think it will work? Based on his track record, no.
Treliving and Burke should both be fired if Peters doesn’t work out.
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“He’s intense. All the time, he’s intense,” said former NHL defenceman John-Michael Liles, who called Peters his boss for two campaigns with the Carolina Hurricanes. “I mean, it’s 7 a.m. and you’re walking into the rink and you haven’t had any coffee yet, and he’s intense. That was one of the things you really learn early on.
“But he’s honest and he’s forthright. He will tell you right to your face — if you played well or if you didn’t, he’s going to let you know.”
“We maybe butted heads early, but the second year I had him, you start to grasp more of the system and realize what he expects from you,” said Liles, who totalled 836 regular-season outings with four NHL organizations and also represented Team USA at the 2006 Torino Olympics. “And if you’re playing not only hard but playing smart, he’s really fantastic to play for.
“I think guys really, really like him as a coach. And he definitely gets a lot out of players. I’m just speaking for myself, but a few other players that I saw, as well.”
“I think they have a lot of similar philosophies, and you can see it,” Liles said. “When we would play Detroit or when we would play Toronto, I don’t want to say it was the exact same system, but, oh my God, it was like you were playing in the mirror basically. Wherever you are, there is that same guy right across.
“(Peters) wants you skating. He wants defencemen getting involved in the rush. He’s very detail-oriented. I just thought he was a really, really good coach.”
The one thing that stood out to me was the "demanding without being demeaning" quote.
Hartley was very demanding but from most accounts he was a terrible person and very demeaning.
Gulutzan was more analytical and a really nice guy but not nearly demanding enough of his team.
If Peters can be a bit of the hybrid where he's a nice guy, and analytical but also can push the right buttons and be demanding of the guys on his team then he should be a good hire.
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It likely was just the circumstance of the whole thing, every coach has those situations where a player just isn't a fit.
Staal didn't have a very good season under Mueller the season before Peters got there, and was even worse in his limited time in New York under AV than he was under Peters.
Brown was a buyout candidate under Sutter and a 30 goal / 60 point guy this season.
Even on that same team Boudreau struggled to get a lot out of Parise in his time in Minnesota until the last 6 weeks of this season.
Staal did one of those sit-down interviews with David Amber (I think it was him anyway) before game 1 or 2 of the Jets series and he was very candid about what it was that happened in Carolina, and it had nothing to do with coaching.
He was very clear that he had lost his passion for the game and was not enjoying playing for a stretch there. It happens sometimes to guys.
Peters played no part in it however.
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Not worked up at all I just don’t get profoundly annoyed by other posters/posts. Being a forum monitor or policeman isn’t one of my hobbies and tracking down other people’s posts to make some sort of case against them holds no interest to me.
I get that, and your interest leans more towards repeating the same tired, negative notion over and over again. I find that equally odd, and as I clearly mentioned initially, instead of you tossing out those awful and tired attempts at "humour" I was genuinely curious to hear what you actually think about what was said this morning instead of you saying absolutely nothing of substance (post 1776).
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I put more stock in his track record and hard facts.
- Losing record as a coach in the NHL
- None of his teams have qualified for the playoffs in the NHL
- Medicore coaching record in the AHL (Didn’t Win a playoff round)
- Average coaching record in the WHL (outside of one excellent year)
- Terrible coaching record in College hockey
- Won a playoff round in only 1 of 10+ years over 4 different levels of hockey
- Not sure if other candidates were considered
Do I want him to succeed in Calgary? Yes, I’m a Flames fan. Do I think it will work? Based on his track record, no.
Treliving and Burke should both be fired if Peters doesn’t work out.
All fair. I want him to succeed too, and agree if this falls on it's face the management should fall on their sword.
With some roster changes adding more forward depth, hopefully it gives the new coaching staff a better opportunity to hit the ground running.
...On Peters, I don’t put much stock in what he has to say on his hiring day. Did Gulutzan say something bad on his first day to lead us to believe he was a bad coach? I think most coaches will say the right things on day one regardless...
Gulutzan's message on the day he was introduced was certainly on-cue and on-point, but even from the moment he was hired there was a missing bravado(?), ambience(?), aura(?) that left even the most enthusiastic supporters a little mystified.
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