[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[Flash Walken]

Judging peters on his coaching record in carolina is like judging Tippet based on his record in Arizona.

I know blaming the coaches is the most fan accessible means of showing displeasure in the team, but there are other things at work that contribute a hell of a lot more to a team winning or losing than the coach.

Like an owner.

Teams in receivership generally do not do well in the NHL. Bizarre, I know.

[Roof-Daddy]

My apprehensions are this:

1. Why the bad goalie performance in Carolina? Was it mostly goalie issues, or is it a by product of Peters system? Same thing with the low shooting percentage. Scary stuff it's not a "luck" or "talent" issue, and like the goaltending a by product of the system he employs.

2. Mediocre to bad record in Carolina, people say it was because of a bad roster/low payroll. I look at that roster and see a lot of very good young talent on it, so I'm not so sure about that. Also, lots of ELC's and unproven young players early in their careers will lead to a much lower payroll.


Hopefully Treliving is right with this hire. If Peters doesn't turn this thing around it's going to be awfully disappointing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Don't get this comment. So, when Treliving hired Gulutzan two seasons ago, he didn't choose 'his guy'?

I imagine Treliving thought he was at the time. Scary, I know.

Besides, Peters wasn't available back then.

[taxbuster]

Hopeful, though dubious.

After reading the Darren Haynes comments, I'm somewhat more hopeful - he has a good record with letting young guys take on responsibility (maybe he didn't have as much choice as GG could have, but still...). So on that front I have some faith. And he's had fairly crappy teams - and no cap money - to work with. Maybe with a better core and more dough he can accomplish what nobody has done for this team - make it consistent. At least for a couple of years enough to make a run or two.

Dubious, because it's just never happened with this ownership group.

[Beninho]

Well Treliving has enough faith to put his job on the line with this hire so I will take a wait and see approach. If things go tits up then see ya later Tre

[Johnny Makarov]

Wow after missing 4 days and 17 pages of this mess, I almost wish that they never fired Gulutzan.

[Racki]

I think Gulutzan was caught in a no man's land in between being an assistant coach and being a head coach. I think that was the part of his problem. He'll probably end up a better coach because of it next time around.

My hope is that Peters comes in and leaves no doubt who the boss is in that dressing room.

[The Boy Wonder]

Listening to the Fan and the opinion of most of the guys on the radio is that there wasn't much "search" in this coaching search.

really seemed like it was Peters' job the whole way and when Tre went on the radio last week and announced that they would start a thorough search he was mostly lying.

but whatever it doesn't matter, were stuck with BP until he screws up so hopefully he can get the boys going

[Roof-Daddy]

They had a tyrant in Hartley and got sick of him.

Went to GMBT and asked for a change, a more player friendly coach. They got it.

Then they spent the next two years being wildly inconsistent and repeatedly looked mentally unprepared to reach the levels needed to find that consistency. I will never ever forget that lackadaisical line change in the Anaheim series in game 1 that led to a Duck goal and completely changed the tide of that game. Infuriating.

Now their buddy buddy coach is gone in favor of a tougher coach again.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Listening to the Fan and the opinion of most of the guys on the radio is that there wasn't much "search" in this coaching search.

really seemed like it was Peters' job the whole way and when Tre went on the radio last week and announced that they would start a thorough search he was mostly lying.

but whatever it doesn't matter, were stuck with BP until he screws up so hopefully he can get the boys going

I'm amazed at how casually people toss around words like "lying".

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They had a tyrant in Hartley and got sick of him.

Went to GMBT and asked for a change, a more player friendly coach. They got it.

Then they spent the next two years being wildly inconsistent and repeatedly looked mentally unprepared to reach the levels needed to find that consistency. I will never ever forget that lackadaisical line change in the Anaheim series in game 1 that led to a Duck goal and completely changed the tide of that game. Infuriating.

Now their buddy buddy coach is gone in favor of a tougher coach again.

I view it similarly but slightly different

Hartley: Strong motivator (short-term), held players accountable, not a great strategist or systems guy

GG: Strong systems guy, not a great motivator.

Peters: Hopefully the mix of both. By all reports both a strong systems guy and a taskmaster.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm amazed at how casually people toss around words like "lying".

fine. being disingenuous would be a better term.

go back and listen to the Rob Kerr interview from last Monday and tell me he isn't being a little shady

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Listening to the Fan and the opinion of most of the guys on the radio is that there wasn't much "search" in this coaching search.

really seemed like it was Peters' job the whole way and when Tre went on the radio last week and announced that they would start a thorough search he was mostly lying.

but whatever it doesn't matter, were stuck with BP until he screws up so hopefully he can get the boys going

Did he say that? Genuinely asking as i dont remember that but do recall him emphasizing that the next guy had to have NHL experience, which Peters certainly has.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I view it similarly but slightly different

Hartley: Strong motivator (short-term), held players accountable, not a great strategist or systems guy

GG: Strong systems guy, not a great motivator.

Peters: Hopefully the mix of both. By all reports both a strong systems guy and a taskmaster.

but if the system fails to get wins is he actually a strong systems guy?

or are you implying that he is strong systems guy in that he relies heavily on systems whether they are good or bad.

[CSharp]

Well, let's see if this team remains status quo and much of the same mediocrity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

fine. being disingenuous would be a better term.

go back and listen to the Rob Kerr interview from last Monday and tell me he isn't being a little shady

He used terms that are largely up for interpretation. We know that BT doesn't reveal much about what actually is happening.
i don't think he's being shady...I just don't think he's saying much of anything.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

but if the system fails to get wins is he actually a strong systems guy?

or are you implying that he is strong systems guy in that he relies heavily on systems whether they are good or bad.

I'm going off what I read in terms of the perceptions of him.,
Obviously there is a narrative out there that he was held back by a lot of factors in Carolina (worst goaltending in the league, young team, lack of elite talent, not a cap team) that if you take away those factors he would succeed more. I don't know if that will happen or not. But I'm not interested in debating if he's a good coach based on his record. We know what his record is. You can decide if that's largely how you are going to assess him or not.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

but if the system fails to get wins is he actually a strong systems guy?

or are you implying that he is strong systems guy in that he relies heavily on systems whether they are good or bad.

You can have the greatest, bestest, uniquest system in the history of systems....but if the players refuse to play it the way you are asking, there will be no success.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Former Leafs GM as the President of Hockey Operations
Former Coyotes assistant GM as the GM
Former Canucks Assistant Coach Hurricanes coach as head coach
Maloney doing god knows what.

That's how you build a winner folks!

I guess I'll give Peters a chance however.

Not that this means anything (and I guess that is precisely my point), but the head coaches of the two best teams in the NHL this season also had their first HC gigs in Carolina. The current 2x Stanley Cup winning coach was an assistant in Vancouver working under the current head coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets who are in the middle of a really good, tightly contested first round battle that will probably go the distance.

But again, I think it is fair to put absolutely no stock in this sort of thing.

[Willi Plett]

I’m taking a new perspective on this.

Going into our week off we were 2nd in the division. In the end we missed the playoffs by I think about 6 wins. That included a pretty substantial “tank” at the end. This was contributed to in part by injuries and in part IMHO due to the players giving up.

So if we can not have a slow start and be just marginally better, the Flames should be in good shape. I believe Peters can make us at least marginally better and a similar system should contribute to a better start than a vastly different system.

I think the most important part of this hire (which is what I said when we hired GG) now becomes the assistant hired who will run the PP. An effective PP would have put us in a vastly different spot last year.

Add to this player growth and development this year and next and it should be a good story. Hopefully BT can make a shrewd trade or two which will bring more improvements.