04-23-2018, 08:17 AM
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#1301
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Former Leafs GM as the President of Hockey Operations
Former Coyotes assistant GM as the GM
Former Canucks Assistant Coach Hurricanes coach as head coach
Maloney doing god knows what.
That's how you build a winner folks!
I guess I'll give Peters a chance however.
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04-23-2018, 08:18 AM
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#1302
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
People talk like coaches are some sort of mystery box that you need to open up and talk to them to find out what they are about.
There is AMPLE evidence available as to what Sutter and AV are as coaches.
Treliving and his staff would have no doubt done detailed analysis on their coaching styles and determined they aren't what he/they want.
You don't need an interview to know what either of these guys is about.
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I disagree. You can learn a lot in an interview. AV isn't going to stroll into the Flames headquarters and say; "Brad, my record speaks for itself. I have nothing to add". I'm sure any unemployed coach that is serious about the job is investigating all the rosters of teams like the Flames, watching film, evaluating players. Treliving could learn a lot from what experienced winning coaches like AV and Sutter would have to say about his roster and how they think the team should play even if he doesn't hire them. There are absolutely zero negatives of interviewing experienced coaches that have had success.
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04-23-2018, 08:19 AM
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#1303
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Read an article that had John liles giving Peters a good report. Seems Peters likes players skating at all times and d joining in on the rush. Also is very intense and will call out players when they have bad games
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Please let this be true.
I also think an intense coach is what this group needs. Players have to light a fire under their own asses of coarse, but sometimes things slip and the coach has to do it. I feel the Flames need this more than some other teams. I also feel it was one of the biggest missing ingredients of he who shall not be named any more.
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04-23-2018, 08:20 AM
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#1304
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15
Thanks Frankie.
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Quoting Aaron Rodgers who spelled it out a few seasons back. Always appropriate when a fan base panics.
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04-23-2018, 08:21 AM
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#1305
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 Posted the 6 millionth post!
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Sigh. I guess we'll have to reserve judgment until we see his coaching in action.
Until then, I am not impressed. Should have waited until a bit deeper in the playoffs to see which first-round exit teams can their coaches.
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04-23-2018, 08:23 AM
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#1306
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I disagree. You can learn a lot in an interview. AV isn't going to stroll into the Flames headquarters and say; "Brad, my record speaks for itself. I have nothing to add". I'm sure any unemployed coach that is serious about the job is investigating all the rosters of teams like the Flames, watching film, evaluating players. Treliving could learn a lot from what experienced winning coaches like AV and Sutter would have to say about his roster and how they think the team should play even if he doesn't hire them. There are absolutely zero negatives of interviewing experienced coaches that have had success.
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I agree that there is no downside to an interview, and as you say, you may garner a new perspective on your roster.
I was responding to the notion that Treliving never considered other candidates, specifically AV and Sutter. There is little doubt that those candidates (and others) were considered very seriously.
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04-23-2018, 08:24 AM
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#1307
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Happy Bill Peters day everyone!
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04-23-2018, 08:26 AM
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#1308
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I just want to say I admire Brad Treliving. He has the cajones to hire a coach who's name is BP. Good on you man.
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04-23-2018, 08:26 AM
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#1309
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In the Sin Bin
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I have never been more whelmed with a coaching hire.
From what I've seen and read, he does somethings better than Gulutzan, but he also comes off as just as bad at others. Given I think Gulutzan was one of the worst in-game coaches in the league, if not the worst, then I have no doubt that Peters is an upgrade. How much of one remains to be seen. Hopefully Peters overwhelms as much as Gulutzan underwhelmed.
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04-23-2018, 08:30 AM
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#1310
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I'm not going to complain about Peters being hired but what happened to the process for this hire? Is Treliving capable of hiring people that he hasn't worked with before? The best candidate isn't always someone you know personally. I suppose Treliving really, really likes Peters to outright hire him without considering others. I realize there's been some debate about Treliving this past season and if he's a good GM or mediocre. I think this hire will shed major light on this. If he misses on this hire it's clear he's simply not a very good GM as properly evaluating coaches is part of being a successful GM.
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Let's keep in mind that the most exhaustive head coach search in recent years yielded Gulutzan.
Prior to him, we had: - Jay Feaster's best friend
- Darryl Sutter's brother
- Darryl Sutter's former boss
- Promotion from within
- Coach who had been fired mid-season by another team less than a month before he was hired by the Flames
Other than Brent, all of those other coaches took the Flames to the playoffs and won playoff games (and two of them won playoff rounds).
Maybe extensive searches are overrated.
Also, as has been mentioned many times, we don't know that Sutter and Vigneault weren't talked to.
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04-23-2018, 08:31 AM
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#1311
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Tre will either be known for his Coaching Carousel or Goaltender Carousel for his tenure as Flames GM.
Gotta give him credit. He know's his job is on the line with this hire.
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04-23-2018, 08:31 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Obviously no one knows for sure other than those involved, but I would not be surprised one bit if Treliving did talk to D. Sutter, likely in person, and one or the other decided not to pursue it any further. BT likely knew he was letting GG go weeks ago, and as such he had all the time in the world to have Darryl come into the dome, or even take a quick trip up to Viking and have a chat. In fact he could have chatted to a bunch of candidates without anyone ever knowing if he was sure he was making the change.
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04-23-2018, 08:33 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Admittedly, I am a little nervous about this hire... but what gives me hope is the fact that Peters was selected to the coaching staff of the 2016 WC team, a staff that included Babcock (HC), and Trotz, Julien, and Quenneville as assistants. That's some pretty elite company that Hockey Canada feels Peters belongs in.
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04-23-2018, 08:33 AM
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#1314
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I'm glad the coaching hire is done and the team will be moving on to personnel decisions. Having a complete team looking over the roster and preparing a plan heading into the draft weekend is a huge plus. Plenty of time to figure out what else needs to be done to this roster. Some sober second thoughts if you will.
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04-23-2018, 08:34 AM
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#1315
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cambodia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Absolutely. Why not right?
Also, I kind of feel that, given that the vast majority of fans (based on my own, subjective and unsubstantiated assessment) are against this, that makes me think it's probably going to work out really well.
As someone who has made his living in the markets, I'll bet against public opinion every time.
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The vast majority of fans were right about Gulutzan 2 years ago, and a vaster (?) majority knew he needed to go by December. The fact that the majority of fans think something isn't recessarily a reason to believe it, but recent history suggest that, when it comes to Flames coaching decisions, the vast majority of fans know better than the GM.
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04-23-2018, 08:38 AM
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First Line Centre
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Hoping BP opens the presser by stating that from here on out there will be no iPads allowed on the bench in game.
As much as I think this hire is a failed opportunity to have hired a truly great coach, I also know that there is no possible way BP can be any worse at the in game management of his hockey team than GG was.
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04-23-2018, 08:38 AM
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#1317
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Franchise Player
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I hope they announce the new assistant coaches as well. The first preseason game is only five months away and we need to make sure those guys are sufficiently ripped apart before they've even coached a game...
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04-23-2018, 08:39 AM
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#1318
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
I'm glad the coaching hire is done and the team will be moving on to personnel decisions. Having a complete team looking over the roster and preparing a plan heading into the draft weekend is a huge plus. Plenty of time to figure out what else needs to be done to this roster. Some sober second thoughts if you will.
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Yeah, this isn't talked about enough.
I'm just really surprised at the level of negativity about this hire. Usually, on this board, people are really optimistic about changes, because there's a good possible outcome and a bad possible outcome and we're biased towards the good one. I guess people really had their hearts set on someone else, be it AV or Sutter or whoever. But even so, assuming that this is going to result in mediocrity and "wasted years" before the guy even gets to his office seems needlessly pessimistic.
Peters is a good coach. He was coaching a team that didn't have a lot of scoring talent and couldn't get a save this year, and they were solid regardless. I'm quite confident that barring catastrophe (of the injury sort, most likely) the Flames will be back in the playoffs next season, and will be playing the sort of hockey that lends itself to postseason success.
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04-23-2018, 08:39 AM
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#1319
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: BELTLINE
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All I know about Peters was his rant about Eddie Lack when he called him out to the media. Personally I think the team could use someone who calls it like it is, even just looking at his mug you can see he's got more intensity than GG.
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04-23-2018, 08:44 AM
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#1320
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Franchise Player
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Please, please, please let this be the start of a long run free of ineptitude for this organization. I'm tired of being an also ran. Let's win some division titles. Let's win some playoff rounds. Let's contend for some President's trophies. And while we're at it, let's maybe, just maybe win a freaking Stanley Cup.
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