[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[Kybb79]

Corsi is BS.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Not necessarily no.

For example ARI was worst in our division but Anti Raanta had a .930 SV%
For example CHI was bad this year but Crawford had a .929 SV%

GAA is the stat that is affected moreso by the team performance. SV% is the indicator of goalie ability that tries to remove the team factors

A bad team can give up a boatload of shots, get good goaltending and still lose 3-2. The SV% numbers can be very high for good goalies on bad teams. Low SV% is generally just an indicator of bad goaltending whether it be on a good team or a bad team.

Good start, and it is a bit more complicated than this.

Goalies basically are expected to stop about 95 percent of shots that they can see and have time to get set for. Approximately .6xx save percentage is expected on shots that are preceded by events such as a pass.

When you aggregate the data, each team has an expected save percentage.

Plunk a goalie on that team and their individual contribution will be a deviation from that.

There are some articles where people have done a lot of work, I’m going to put it in its own thread.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well I was going to come in and be all "meh, not sure about this", but after reading so much negativity for some highly suspect reasons, I have no choice but to be overwhelmingly positive about this for two reasons: 1) to balance out the disappointment/anger/hatred that have occurred before the guy has even been hired, and 2) to piss off all those people who are already so easily pissed off. So here we go...


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That's pretty silly, just post as you feel about each Flames related topic. Being a counter to opinions is just as bad as the opinions you despise and is actually a huge reason why message boards ultimately become so polarized and unreadable. It drives the wedge the further.

Just post your opinions as they are. The Flames are at a period of unrest with a passionate fan base for good reason, they will need to earn back some excitement and trust in decision making, and if they turn things around the tone around here will change.

Nobody is happy to be angry with the product or that they're right about their predictions of poor results.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

Except for comments from 'Canes fans, who probably would know?
Oh, and I took the time to watch some Hurricanes games too, just for the heck of it.

It's been a trend on this board recently to claim that only ignorant people have negative opinions, and it's bollocks and seriously annoying.

I haven't seen any fans comments that say slow and plodding. They do talk about deployment which, like i and other have said, is a common fan complaint. Whenever I've seen them (and I admittedly have not gone back and rewatched any like you I guess) they've seemed to play uptempo. Considering the quality of their roster that is.

He's not the guy I want but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he coaches the same as GG (who didn't coach a slow system anyway - he just didn't get the players to play his system quickly).

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And this is the response to that post that sums up my thoughts.

So you're literally calling me a moron then? That's ****ing great. Really great discourse Cecil. Brutal.

[Enoch Root]

Again with the "they lose all the time, but CORSI!"...

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

During his 4 seasons in Caroline, Peters' coached a team that was:

Bottom 3 in team salary.
Bottom 3 in goaltending
Incredibly young
Played in a division with teams like Pittsburgh, Washington and Columbus.

Despite everything, Carolina gave up the fewest shots and the fewest scoring chances in the NHL last season while having the 4th most shots and 6th most scoring chances.

For the very little he had to work with, his results were very very promising

And then...

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Like I said, some people don't like to dig deeper into the numbers than what's shown on the surface.

To each their own

No. It's not that at all. It's not that we don't want to 'dig deeper'. It's that those stats are not all you think they are. There are far too many outlier results. If you keep losing, you suck. It doesn't matter that you outshot or outchanced the other team.

One game? Sure. Hell, 10 games. Sure. But when you keep losing all season, despite getting more chances, the stats don't show that you're better than the record. They are simply flawed stats.

But the reason people get so worked up is this constant claim that quoting these very weak stats is somehow a 'deeper dive'. No it isn't. It is simply a (too strong of a) belief in a stat that regularly doesn't correlate with results.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

So you're literally calling me a moron then? That's ****ing great. Really great discourse Cecil. Brutal.

Lol. I think maybe you should read those posts again.

[Saqe]

For once I would've liked to see a main stream hire like Vignault. And by the sound of it, Treliving didn't even consider anyone else, just Peters. I don't get it. Frustrating to say the very least.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Things I don’t like:

- Losing record as a coach in the NHL
- None of his teams have qualified for the playoffs in the NHL
- Medicore coaching record in the AHL (Didn’t Win a playoff round)
- Average coaching record in the WHL (outside of one excellent year)
- Terrible coaching record in College hockey
- Won a playoff round in only 1 of 10+ years over 4 different levels of hockey
- Not sure if other candidates were considered

Things I like:

- He isn’t Glen Gulutzan

To be clear, I am fully on board with giving Peters his chance. I trust Treliving, and if he is willing to hang his career on the guy, I am more than willing to take a wait and see approach.

Having said that, there are definitely a few reasons for concern. And one that hasn't really been talked about yet is the bolded.

One season of this core was just wasted. I am hoping that this hire won't waste any more. However, even if they do make the playoffs next year, they will go into them with a team that has had one series in three years and a coach that has never coached in the playoffs.

For Treliving's sake, Peters better be ready for a big jump in his coaching progression.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

So you're literally calling me a moron then? That's ****ing great. Really great discourse Cecil. Brutal.

No I believe he was calling most fans morons including the majority of HF. You used HF as an appeal to authority but he's doubting the authority of fans in general. Just because someone is a moderator on HF does not make them a credible expert on their team.

I think you may have misread his post and applied it to yourself.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I haven't seen any fans comments that say slow and plodding. They do talk about deployment which, like i and other have said, is a common fan complaint. Whenever I've seen them (and I admittedly have not gone back and rewatched any like you I guess) they've seemed to play uptempo. Considering the quality of their roster that is.

He's not the guy I want but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he coaches the same as GG (who didn't coach a slow system anyway - he just didn't get the players to play his system quickly).

For the record, I mostly went back to check out the transition game, not for any kind of complete look. I'm not sure if "plodding" is fair, but the transition is the same that the Flames use, so on the slow side except they seemed to have generally faster players. Or maybe less slow players would be accurate.

(The obvious problem with moving up as a five man unit is that you're limited by your slowest skaters.)

Also seemed to be a lot of perimeter shots, but that just might be observation bias / sample size.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

For the record, I mostly went back to check out the transition game, not for any kind of complete look. I'm not sure if "plodding" is fair, but the transition is the same that the Flames use, so on the slow side except they seemed to have generally faster players. Or maybe less slow players would be accurate.

(The obvious problem with moving up as a five man unit is that you're limited by your slowest skaters.)

Also seemed to be a lot of perimeter shots, but that just might be observation bias / sample size.

I have been watching extended highlight packages since I have no access to games, and I am seeing a pretty consistent commitment to skating—which was one of my primary criticisms of Gulutzan's Flames this season. When the Hurricanes are in the offensive zone, they are always skating and moving which I really like. They seem to forecheck quite well.

I also see a lot of missed passes and "Hail Mary" shot attempts, and it looks to me like they were definitely short on skilled players.

...oh, and Scott Darling is pretty terrible.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have been watching extended highlight packages since I have no access to games, and I am seeing a pretty consistent commitment to skating—which was one of my primary criticisms of Gulutzan's Flames this season. When the Hurricanes are in the offensive zone, they are always skating and moving which I really like. They seem to forecheck quite well.

I agree that they seemed to forecheck better, although I'm tempted to say it's at least in part a personnel thing. 3M line for example was a pain on the forecheck too, although they didn't get to show that side much with all their dz starts.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So why is it different for Peters? At least GG took the team to the playoffs last year, Peters has never come close.

You haven’t even gave the guy a chance? His roster was crap in Carolina.

Babcock couldn’t even coach that roster to be an elite team.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by jayswin

So you're literally calling me a moron then? That's ****ing great. Really great discourse Cecil. Brutal.

? You just shredded the guy for agreeing with you.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Right, forgot about that. That is fair



How about guys like

- Semin dropping from 42 in 65 games to 19 points

- Sekera going from producing like Dougie Hamilton with 44 points to producing 19 points



Does that do anything for you?



My overarching concern and the whole point was whether he proved to be able to get players and the team producing at their potential.



Staal was an example because he went from franchise (which not many players can do) to mediocre.



I have questions. Perhaps you don’t. I quite honestly don’t care.

Semis was out of the NHL after that, and has failed to produce in the khl since. I get the skepticism, but very few guys besides staal have actually seen their production increase since leaving peters. It really does look like a roster issue to me.

Carolina was great at possession, but lacked the skill to get towards scoring areas. They relied on strong defence and were undone by crap goaltending. Like really bad goaltending.

Considering the circumstances this could have turned into buffalo calibre dumpster fire and never did. Peters had them playing competitive hockey and I think there is good reason for optimism with what he can do with a real roster.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

I agree that they seemed to forecheck better, although I'm tempted to say it's at least in part a personnel thing. 3M line for example was a pain on the forecheck too, although they didn't get to show that side much with all their dz starts.

True, but that doesn't address what I am seeing that is significantly different from what the Flames delivered this season. Also, we know they have it in them—the Flames were a pretty good forechecking team in the 2014–15 season.

The Hurricanes are always moving in the offensive zone—both their feet and the puck. It was maddening how stationary the Flames would appear once across the blue line, and this frequently struck me as a huge factor as to why so many of their shots were ineffective—they seemed to be fixated on making the perfect setup too often; they stopped skating too often; they held on to the puck for too long too often.

[dammage79]

Poor Bill Peters. He's going to walk off the plane on Monday and be welcomed with a noose and some pitch forks and some torches by the fans here and all he did was accept a job offer.

[SportsJunky]

It’s his own fault for sucking so much. He sucks so much!

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Poor Bill Peters. He's going to walk off the plane on Monday and be welcomed with a noose and some pitch forks and some torches by the fans here and all he did was accept a job offer.

He’s flying in tomorrow. Haha. Maybe to climatize.