[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sure it wasn’t a great roster. Jeff Skinner also dropped that year from 33 goals and 53 points in 71 GP to 18 g 31 pts in 77.

Put 2 good players on a line they should be able to get points, even with a plug on the other wing. See: Gaudreau, Monahan

Jeff skinner was dealing with some pretty massive concussion issues at that point in his career that he hasn't really shaken until 2 years ago.

Sorry, he was not playing anywhere near johnnys level. It's a terrible comparison.


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[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So what tells everyone here that Peters coaches slow plodding transitions? Nothing, that's what.

Except for comments from 'Canes fans, who probably would know?
Oh, and I took the time to watch some Hurricanes games too, just for the heck of it.

It's been a trend on this board recently to claim that only ignorant people have negative opinions, and it's bollocks and seriously annoying.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Jeff skinner was dealing with some pretty massive concussion issues at that point in his career that he hasn't really shaken until 2 years ago.

Sorry, he was not playing anywhere near johnnys level. It's a terrible comparison.

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Right, forgot about that. That is fair

How about guys like
- Semin dropping from 42 in 65 games to 19 points
- Sekera going from producing like Dougie Hamilton with 44 points to producing 19 points

Does that do anything for you?

My overarching concern and the whole point was whether he proved to be able to get players and the team producing at their potential.

Staal was an example because he went from franchise (which not many players can do) to mediocre.

I have questions. Perhaps you don’t. I quite honestly don’t care.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I didn’t realize Gully only made 800 K, in his second head coaching gig

Peters is clearly a good negotiator, I’ll give him that

I guess if ownership wanted a Walmart coach, then they should be ok with Walmart results. I'm stunned that GG made so little. Got to be the lowest paid head coach in the league? We'll never get a top tier coach if ownership won't pay.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by chedder

I guess if ownership wanted a Walmart coach, then they should be ok with Walmart results. I'm stunned that GG made so little. Got to be the lowest paid head coach in the league? We'll never get a top tier coach if ownership won't pay.

Maybe they should stop spending to the cap and spend some money on a real coach.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

How about guys like
- Semin dropping from 42 in 65 games to 19 points
- Sekera going from producing like Dougie Hamilton with 44 points to producing 19 points

Does that do anything for you?

Semin was quickly out of the league soon after that season. So hard to read much into it IMO. Could just have been at the end of his career.

Your Sekera analysis includes his career outlier year. He hadn't put up that type of PPG numbers before that year and has never done it since. He has a career PPG of 0.34. His career year he put up 0.59. The year after under Peters he merely returned to his career average by posting 0.33 PPG

Seems like some cherry picked examples. Don't really see a trend of anything to be worried about there.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by chedder

I'm stunned that GG made so little. Got to be the lowest paid head coach in the league? We'll never get a top tier coach if ownership won't pay.

GG would not have had much leverage but Travis Green, Phil Housley and Bob Boughner only make 1M a year and they were all hired a bit more recently. Capfriendly also lists Blashill at $800k/year and he has won a Calder Cup in the AHL which is a better resume than GG.

The guys with leverage make more money. In Peters' case

- He had coached past his "beginning" contract, having signed a two year 1.6M extension.
- He was under contract, so Calgary has to give him reasonable incentive
- He has more NHL coaching experience than any of the above did when signing their deals

There's no inherently right way. Plenty of good coaches have to start somewhere.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

GG would not have had much leverage but Travis Green, Phil Housley and Bob Boughner only make 1M a year and they were all hired a bit more recently. Capfriendly also lists Blashill at $800k/year and he has won a Calder Cup in the AHL which is a better resume than GG.

The guys with leverage make more money. In Peters' case

- He had coached past his "beginning" contract, having signed a two year 1.6M extension.
- He was under contract, so Calgary has to give him reasonable incentive
- He has more NHL coaching experience than any of the above did when signing their deals

There's no inherently right way. Plenty of good coaches have to start somewhere.

those are rookie coaches tho

[Macindoc]

I guess we're hoping he "grows with the team", like GG was supposed to do. Time will tell.

[PepsiFree]

I’m not making a point, I’m just honestly surprised by how many people claim to have watched several Carolina games just for fun.

Wacky.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m not making a point, I’m just honestly surprised by how many people claim to have watched several Carolina games just for fun.

Wacky.

Agreed, watching Caroline games is anything but fun. Which is what many posters are worried about.

For the record, I have only watched their games against Calgary, and they weren't that memorable, though it is admittedly a small sample size.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Agreed, watching Caroline games is anything but fun. Which is what many are worried about.

Less so because of the fun, they were a fun team to watch when they played Calgary.

My point was: who seeks out Carolina games? Sometimes I forget they exist.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I guess we're hoping he "grows with the team", like GG was supposed to do. Time will tell.

I'm not sure about that. I think we're hoping he grew with his time in CAR. Don't think Treliving was going to hire another coach that needs a lot of "growing". He needs a coach who is a good coach right now. No reason to think Peters still needs a lot of growing unless you think he is merely a product of his record.

Seems like there is one group of fans that just can't get past his NHL record. What if CAR as a non-cap team just didn't have the talent and depth to be a playoff team? Mike Babcock may not have been able to get CAR into the playoffs with that group, we can't say for sure either way.

Clearly Treliving believes Peters is a better coach than where his teams finished. I understand why people would be skeptical. Doesn't mean you have to close your mind to the possibility that Peters is indeed a good coach who didn't have a great roster to work with. That's a possibility isn't it? We don't know for sure so we shouldn't pretend that we do.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Seems like some cherry picked examples. Don't really see a trend of anything to be worried about there.

I just ‘cherry picked’ the top 4 scorers from the year before. Points for these 4 guys went from 201 to 123. Nothing to be worried about , we figured it out. Haha.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Less so because of the fun, they were a fun team to watch when they played Calgary.

My point was: who seeks out Carolina games? Sometimes I forget they exist.

Well, it's Saturday, I didn't have much on my schedule and it's not like it takes all day to get an idea on what kind of transition they used.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/987373404025110528

https://twitter.com/user/status/986626941481603072

But don't all basement team goaltenders have poor save percentage due to being on a bad team? Bad goaltending can be a symptom or cause of poor teams, so not really indicative of anything.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

I am convinced Bill Peters is coming to Calgary as a coach. I am not convinced he'll be the Head Coach.

Hahaha, might want to lower your expectations. The Flames aren't going to greenlight paying a current head coach to be assistant PLUS an elite head coach. Not a chance.

And why would Bill Peters be having discussions with multiple NHL teams for a head coaching gig then accept an assistant coach position. That makes no sense.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But don't all basement team goaltenders have poor save percentage due to being on a bad team? Bad goaltending can be a symptom or cause of poor teams, so not really indicative of anything.

Not necessarily no.

For example ARI was worst in our division but Anti Raanta had a .930 SV%
For example CHI was bad this year but Crawford had a .929 SV%

GAA is the stat that is affected moreso by the team performance. SV% is the indicator of goalie ability that tries to remove the team factors

A bad team can give up a boatload of shots, get good goaltending and still lose 3-2. The SV% numbers can be very high for good goalies on bad teams. Low SV% is generally just an indicator of bad goaltending whether it be on a good team or a bad team.

Being on a godawful team will certainly drag a goalie's SV% down but CAR wasn't godawful and Darling had a .888 this year in 40+ games. That's abysmally bad goaltending. Other goalies who started a lot of games and had bad years? Price with a .900 in 49 games had an off year. Anderson in OTT with a .898 in 58 games had an off year. Chad Johnson with .891 in 36 games for the bad Sabres. But yeah, Darling's SV% really stands out as being pretty abysmal this last season. There weren't many goalies worse only Brossoit from EDM with .883, Budaj in TB with .875, Lack in with .870 and Lagace in VGK with .867

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Post from a moderator on HF Canes:

Criticism on Peters is that he forces a very Corsi/analytics friendly structure, with a lot of shooting from the outside and a lot of risks at the blue line which allow a smaller but higher-quality number of chances against. You need the right group of players to really be successful with that style.

This sounds like the same hockey we just watched for two years.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This sounds like the same hockey we just watched for two years.

And this is the response to that post that sums up my thoughts.

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Go check out HF"

Is this a millennial thing? Why is this relevant?

Sorry but most fans are morons...every team that doesn't win the fans are ripping the coach