[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by bax

Really? What possible qualifications could ownership have for determining who the right coach is for this group?

Meddling ownership is almost always a bad thing in pro sports. Let the GM do his job.

Melnyk and his Ottawa Senators.

Case and point.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by dfsflamesfan

50/50 hockey is boring, and the whole system is flawed. If a team is coached to play 50/50 hockey then of course you’d expect to have a 50% winning record. We know a 50% winning record won’t be good enough in the regular season. 50/50 hockey sure won’t give you the best chance to win 4 playoff series if it’s left to a 50% chance each game 7, assuming you split games 1-6.

Sure the system is heavily realiant on special teams, but I don’t think you can rely on just a good power play and penalty kill, because other teams have their own special teams. Also, penalties in this league are inconsistent, especially in the playoffs. Overall, I think we, as fans, expect and want to see a 100/0 or 95/5 system or even 60/40 (assuming it means chances for) in place instead of 50/50.

What exactly is meant by "50/50 hockey"?

It has been bandied about a lot, but I do not know what it means.

I don't think it means we have a 50% chance of winning any game or play within a game, but don't know exactly what Gulutzan means when he uses it, nor what others mean when they use it.

[Vinny01]

Brutal if it is Peter’s. How does Treliving justify hiring a guy with an equally bad resume at the NHL level as Gulutzan and think it is going to work? Just because he is not a nice guy?

[ComixZone]

If Peters ends up being the guy...Treliving is really putting his neck on the line in my opinion.

Going from one unproven “up and coming” coach to another unproven coach.

I’ll be entirely underwhelmed if Peters ends up being the guy. Darryl Sutter would excite me, and would be a huge shot of adrenaline into my passion as a fan. Peters? I’d just sit here questioning why move from Gully to Peters?

It is what it is, if it goes that way. Maybe it’ll work, but it’s not an exciting off-season move in my eyes and as a fan on the outside looking in...it still leaves a giant question mark next to the head coaching position for this team.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Slava

I agree. I hate this choice and just think that bringing Peters in means that they may as well have just stuck with Gulutzan. Why fire him if this is the replacement, particularly when you could have taken a stab at a legitimate upgrade in someone like AV.

Not to mention Treliving said money/salary wouldn't be a problem when he was on the Fan the other day. If that's the case, why wouldn't you spend the money to get a proven, experienced, top-tier coach?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Possibly. But Peters would have a better roster to work with here, so for all we know this might be a good fit. But it's still pretty disappointing to think that Treliving is once again rolling the dice on an outside-the-box, unproven coach (at the NHL level anyway). For his own sake, he'd better pray this works or he can kiss his job goodbye after next season.

If this is the case, look out Indy! One of Tre’s balls is behind you

[PugnaciousIntern]

One thing about this coaching situation confuses me - why is Bill Peters still hired by Carolina, and has the option to look for greener pastures, yet GG was fired? What is going through the Carolina management thinking? Is this a guy who they really want to keep because they think he's better than any other option that is currently available, despite the bad record? Or just because he comes cheap?

I'm honestly asking. There's something that isn't adding up for me

[Ashasx]

If Peters is Brad's guy, I'm glad he's sticking to his guns and not deviating from his vision just to appease fans or to avoid looking bad if things go south.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

One thing about this coaching situation confuses me - why is Bill Peters still hired by Carolina, and has the option to look for greener pastures, yet GG was fired? What is going through the Carolina management thinking? Is this a guy who they really want to keep because they think he's better than any other option that is currently available, despite the bad record? Or just because he comes cheap?

I'm honestly asking. There's something that isn't adding up for me

Carolina currently does not have a GM and the organization is an absolute mess.

[JurassicTunga12]

sigh... again passing on coaches who have proven to have won in this league(gone deep in the playoffs, presidents trophies etc etc)

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

One thing about this coaching situation confuses me - why is Bill Peters still hired by Carolina, and has the option to look for greener pastures, yet GG was fired? What is going through the Carolina management thinking? Is this a guy who they really want to keep because they think he's better than any other option that is currently available, despite the bad record? Or just because he comes cheap?

I'm honestly asking. There's something that isn't adding up for me

From what I understand, Peters has an out clause in his contract, and GG didn't. GG wouldn't have taken if he did.

Peters doesn't necessarily want to be in Carolina, and if he takes the out then Carolina doesn't have to pay him anything. I would assume that if he is fired they have to pay his final year.

Can someone confirm?

[Split98]

I'll be pretty tired of Treliving's 'smartest man in the room' decisions if Peters comes in and we stumble next year.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Melnyk and his Ottawa Senators.

Case and point.

You mean to say case in point.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...e%20in%20point

Definition of case in point
: an illustrative, relevant, or pertinent case

And from writingexplained.org
https://writingexplained.org/case-in...case-and-point

Trick to Remember the Difference:
A trick you can use when you’re stuck choosing case and point or case in point.

You should always choose case in point. It is the correct version of this idiom and has been since roughly 1647.

[Moneyhands23]

This is seriously disappointing if true.

If the team stumbles and sputters out of the gate BT should be fired.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Slava

I agree. I hate this choice and just think that bringing Peters in means that they may as well have just stuck with Gulutzan. Why fire him if this is the replacement, particularly when you could have taken a stab at a legitimate upgrade in someone like AV.

Maybe the AV to Dallas rumours are true and those talks never really got far.

We have to expect Treliving will go with someone again who fits his mold of possession based and responsible play. While I wouldnt be thrilled with a Peters hire, if he brought in someone that knows how to execute a powerplay I wouldn't be too upset.

Treliving has to know that another blunder like Gulutzan likely means his job. Can't imagine he's taking this decision lightly

[The Fonz]

Well... hopefully he isn't as bad as his record implies.

That's all I got.

[Peaceful Warrior]

I would be happy with Sutter, Vigneault, or Peters (who seem to be the Board's favourite and the rumoured favourite), but I'm surprised at the analysis going on with regard to Peters. There seems to be a lot of focus on his last four years compared to Sutter and Vigneault's career records, but if you look at the last four years of all three, and the first 3 years (as NHL coaches) of all three, they are basically all hovering right around 500.

In other words, 4 years in to their careers as coaches, Sutter and Vigneault had very similar success as Peters has had. And in the last few years all three have had similar records with Peters probably having the least impressive line-up, and goaltending that doesn't compare to Quick or Lundqvist.

[midniteowl]

How many so call experts have indicated that GG will be coming back for another season, which cause massive panic and people are saying they'll not watch another Flames game, before he was fired?

It would be funny if tomorrow the Flames call a press conference announcing the team's new head coach and it isn't Peters.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/987095162508603392

F no!!!!!!!!!!!! I seriously would rather have kept GG. I may find something better to do with my Winter next year than watch this team piss more seasons away. Surely BT cannot be this stupid....

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Split98

I'll be pretty tired of Treliving's 'smartest man in the room' decisions if Peters comes in and we stumble next year.

This phrase is so stupid.

Treliving was hired to run a hockey team. He'd better be a smart man. He'd better have confidence in his own convictions. If he thinks he's the smartest man in his office, great, thats his frackin job. Rather have that than someone who isn't smart, or doesn't think they know whats best.

If he thinks Peters is the best choice available so be it. We won't have enough information to judge him wrong until Peters is here running the team.

But yeah, this smartest man in the room phrase is anything but smart.