2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

EDM was dealing from a position of weakness because everybody knew they needed to deal a forward for a Dman so teams could lowball Chiarelli.

CGY is dealing from a position of strength. We don't have to deal Hamilton or Brodie. But if the right deal comes around we could. We aren't desperate. EDM was desperate.

Hamilton > Larsson. Nylander probably is somewhat close to Hall's value at the time. I agree that it would need to be Nylander+ for Hamilton before Treliving would entertain trading him.

You can flip that around so easily though to some extent.
We do HAVE to deal Hamilton or Brodie if we want to explore acquiring an impact scoring top 6 forward via trade.
Unless you're willing to give up either Johnny, Sean or Matthew, then those 2 defenseman are the only trade worthy assets that will start a conversation for a top 6 winger with Hamilton being the better of the two.

To say were not desperate for scoring is a bit of an understatement after the season we all just witnessed.
One may argue we most certainly have to bring on a 25+ scoring winger if we expect to get better next year, our top 6/9 cant seem to get it done currently.

[Oling_Roachinen]

A bit of a chicken and egg situation, but only two years prior were the Flames in the top 10 for scoring. And that was in large part because Giordano, Brodie and Hamilton combined for 150 points. This year they did under 120. Were the Flames that much worse offensively because their defense didn't contribute as much, or were their top defensive scorers not putting up as many points because the team was so worse offensively?

I still think you need offense from the backend, which means moving Hamilton for scoring help to get back a 25+ goal forward when he can score 20+ isn't going to help out.

And Brodie I just don't see having the value to get back a player of calibre the Flames need. If he bounces back, he would, but two years of being pretty terrible, which team is moving a bonafide +25 goal scorer for that?

[Roof-Daddy]

Seth Jones being able to land a young, highly drafted number 1 center, before he had even established himself just goes to show how valuable young top pairing Dmen are.

Same with Sergachev. Who trades a proven 50 point 22 year old top six forward for a dman prospect who's played less than 10 NHL games? Yzerman does, that's who...and he's looking like a genius for it.

I've said it before, Hamilton's value is sky high, and made even more so by the fact that the Flames don't even have to trade him.

Also, I believe Brodie's value may have taken a slight hit this last season, but he's still a proven, mobile, puck moving 23 minute a night defenseman, and I'd be shocked if he didn't still hold good value if BT decided to make him available.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Seth Jones being able to land a young, highly drafted number 1 center, before he had even established himself just goes to show how valuable young top pairing Dmen are.

Same with Sergachev. Who trades a proven 50 point 22 year old top six forward for a dman prospect who's played less than 10 NHL games? Yzerman does, that's who...and he's looking like a genius for it.

I've said it before, Hamilton's value is sky high, and made even more so by the fact that the Flames don't even have to trade him.

Also, I believe Brodie's value may have taken a slight hit this last season, but he's still a proven, mobile, puck moving 23 minute a night defenseman, and I'd be shocked if he didn't still hold good value if BT decided to make him available.

respectfully disagree. brodie is terrible. was the poster boy for the flames lack of effort and heart, and will not return a top scoring winger. he is a complete defensive liability and there is no way the league doesn't know it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

respectfully disagree. brodie is terrible. was the poster boy for the flames lack of effort and heart, and will not return a top scoring winger. he is a complete defensive liability and there is no way the league doesn't know it.

Data sample is 2 years under an awful coach that saw guys like Bennett, Brouwer and Gio regress as well

You don’t sell low on Brodie until he plays under a good coach

[The Boy Wonder]

you move out guys who have clearly lost a step, brouwer, frolik, or make a hockey trade if it really makes us better but I don't think the flames are truly in a bind to do anything and shouldnt feel forced to trade anyone whose value is deflated because of GG

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agree to disagree I suppose. A C is far more valuable than a winger. If it comes down to Matt Hoffman or RoR, for example, I'm going RoR every day of the week. And I'm fairly confident most experts would agree with that approach.

Sure, but not when you have a bunch of good Cs already. This is not a draft where BPA makes sense. BT has specific holes to fill and needs to focus on them.

Why would it ever come down to Hoffman or ROR? What does that even mean?

I'm happy to discuss your opinion. I don't give a #### about whether experts agree, and I am not sure why you do either.

[dissentowner]

I think we need a RW more than another C, I think Jankowski will be a solid 2nd line C at his floor. As far as Hamilton goes if I am talking to the Leafs I am insisting it is Marner and not Nylander. Nylander is going to be a top six forward, Marner is going to be a franchise level forward Imo.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

respectfully disagree. brodie is terrible. was the poster boy for the flames lack of effort and heart, and will not return a top scoring winger. he is a complete defensive liability and there is no way the league doesn't know it.

There's also no way you can tell anything about his "effort and heart". You hate him, I get it. But you're making up crap.

[Racki]

Nm

[Bunk]

The Leafs losing in 5 would probably help motivate a trade. They gotta feel like they have a big missing piece on the back end and forward assets to spare. Sort of the opposite of us, which might make us good trade partners.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Trading Gio sets the team back no doubt he is clearly by far our best Dman. When Brodie or Hamilton are paired with him they are the best pie in the game. When Brodie or Hamilton are paired with others they are good skating, offensive Dmen, thst make boneheaded defensive plays.

Gio is also one of the players that gives a crap on this team.

I don’t disagree that trading him could be an option depending on the return but I also think moving Gio will result in a big step back for the team at least next year.

I assume the Flames trade Gio to get younger player(s) which obviously would be worse players (next 1+ season)

I agree that Giordano is the Flames best dman. Trading him would be short term pain for long term gain. This team isn't near good enough. When I watch the best teams in the playoffs, what stands out to me is that their forwards are very quick 2 way players. If they turn pucks over, they are good at retrieving them because of their speed and tenacity. The best teams are built to attack with speed and come at you in waves. They spend more time in the offensive zone and less time defending.

The GM on the Flames has been building from the defence out. I am sick of watching them spending most of their time defending against other teams' quick forwards. How has that worked out so far? The Flames are too slow. They need to get faster and the focus should be more on building a team that attacks relentlessly so that other teams can worry about how to defend against them.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Sure, but not when you have a bunch of good Cs already. This is not a draft where BPA makes sense. BT has specific holes to fill and needs to focus on them.

Why would it ever come down to Hoffman or ROR? What does that even mean?

I'm happy to discuss your opinion. I don't give a #### about whether experts agree, and I am not sure why you do either.

It was a hypothetical question, not that hard of a concept to grasp. Just pointing out two players who are believed to be available who play the positions we are discussing. Name a RW who is rumoured to be available who would be a better acquisition than RoR.

You need to think about context and slotting. Acquiring another C, like RoR, allows the Flames to put Backlund and Frolik back to the third line. Where they should be. You can put Bennett on their wing & play Tkachuck with RoR. Then you have three legitimate lines.

We have a bunch of good centres already?? Don't kid yourself, we have two. The rest are question marks. In other words, we're middle of the pack. Jankowski looks to be a fine player, but he has a way to go to get in the conversation with the likes of RoR.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think we need a RW more than another C, I think Jankowski will be a solid 2nd line C at his floor. As far as Hamilton goes if I am talking to the Leafs I am insisting it is Marner and not Nylander. Nylander is going to be a top six forward, Marner is going to be a franchise level forward Imo.

Nylander is a highly skilled top 6 forward already, without doubt. However, he's much more of a set-up man than a goal-scorer, so is the opposite of what the Flames need. If Treliving were to spend a bunch of assets to acquire Nylander, it would be another nail in his coffin.

Frankly, outside of Matthews, who is unattainable, I don't see anyone on the Leafs that would really fill what is missing in the Flames line-up.

[dammage79]

Kasperi Kapanen.
Alex Galchenyuk
Elias Lindholm
Valeri Nichuskin

These are the kind of guys the Flames should be going after.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kasperi Kapanen.
Alex Galchenyuk
Elias Lindholm
Valeri Nichuskin

These are the kind of guys the Flames should be going after.

Why nichuskin when we could be going after filatov??

[dying4acup]

I’m very surprised nobody yet mentioned names like JVR, James Neal and Evander Kane.

The Flames could conceivably afford 2 of these RW, and turn the conference on its ear with their current cap space.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

I’m very surprised nobody yet mentioned names like JVR, James Neal and Evander Kane.

The Flames could conceivably afford 2 of these RW, and turn the conference on its ear with their current cap space.

Problem is, you’re assuming these guys are available. I don’t see why James Neal and Evander Kane wouldn’t re-sign with the Knights and Sharks. And if the Leafs can afford JVR, they’ll keep him too.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Problem is, you’re assuming these guys are available. I don’t see why James Neal and Evander Kane wouldn’t re-sign with the Knights and Sharks. And if the Leafs can afford JVR, they’ll keep him too.

How about R. Nash? I have always been intrigued with him - huge dominating frame that can score and take over games. He's coming off another mediocre season with 34 points. Place him on the wing with Johnny and Money. The dude is always injured but give him a one or two year barrel of money and see what he can do.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Problem is, you’re assuming these guys are available. I don’t see why James Neal and Evander Kane wouldn’t re-sign with the Knights and Sharks. And if the Leafs can afford JVR, they’ll keep him too.

I don’t think any of those are a given. Yes - Sharks and Kane are probably a good fit at this point to stay together. Neal? I think the Knights could easily part ways with him. He’s not one of their top 3, they have a ton of forward depth and some prospects that could break in within the next couple of years. They might not need/want Neal back. He was 6th on the team in scoring. I’m not sure Neal is who I would get though. I don’t think the Leafs will keep JVR. They’ll want that cap space to re-sign their younger forwards in a year or two and for some legit D help. They may not need it now but I don’t think they want them in him.