2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[DeluxeMoustache]

Never mind not trading roster players on some kind of principle. I expect a GM to determine if the problems with the ones you have are fixable.

Mar 16. Flames just off that road trip and having beat Buff, Ott. Could try to save the season if they build on that. Down 5-3 in the third. A minute in, Hamilton lets Kane stroll out front for a tip in. Puts the game out of reach.

Mar 21. It’s against the Ducks. 0-0. Gio and Hamilton are in the corner. Hamilton recovers the puck, turns it over and Cogliano goes to the net. Hamilton takes one half assed stride. Cogliano with all the time in the world waits out Smith. When he shoots, you see Gio diving across over Smith to try to stop the puck. Hamilton is watching. He looks like when I play D in beer league. Meh. Get him next time.

Just a couple of recent examples, but at the time the team was falling off a cliff, very avoidable mistakes of either the ‘attention to detail’ or the ‘give a crap’ type. There were far too many over the year.

These are the ‘give a crap’ examples that concern people, and hopefully the GM. You only make Hamilton untouchable if those goals are solvable with coaching or attention to detail or giving a crap.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

I hope Ferly is traded to the Jets or Bruins. He is made to be on a tough team. On a Cup contender he is a 3rd line player. Not his fault the Flames have no depth.

The Jets are set on the RW. Ferland might upgrade their 4th line but it wouldn't seem like a wise way to spend cap space.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Never mind not trading roster players on some kind of principle. I expect a GM to determine if the problems with the ones you have are fixable.

Mar 16. Flames just off that road trip and having beat Buff, Ott. Could try to save the season if they build on that. Down 5-3 in the third. A minute in, Hamilton lets Kane stroll out front for a tip in. Puts the game out of reach.

Mar 21. It’s against the Ducks. 0-0. Gio and Hamilton are in the corner. Hamilton recovers the puck, turns it over and Cogliano goes to the net. Hamilton takes one half assed stride. Cogliano with all the time in the world waits out Smith. When he shoots, you see Gio diving across over Smith to try to stop the puck. Hamilton is watching. He looks like when I play D in beer league. Meh. Get him next time.

Just a couple of recent examples, but at the time the team was falling off a cliff, very avoidable mistakes of either the ‘attention to detail’ or the ‘give a crap’ type. There were far too many over the year.

These are the ‘give a crap’ examples that concern people, and hopefully the GM. You only make Hamilton untouchable if those goals are solvable with coaching or attention to detail or giving a crap.

I can pick out a couple plays by Backlund, Brodie, Gaudreau and even Gio in big games that cost them. Remember Gaudreau's fly-by leaving Gio spralwed in front of the net trying to cover two guys? Or his multiple blue line giveaways leading to odd man rushes at critical times? Remember Brodie's giveaway with a casual pass in OT? Remember him getting beaten to the puck on backchecks a bunch of times, despite his ability to skate? I do.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can pick out a couple plays by Backlund, Brodie, Gaudreau and even Gio in big games that cost them. Remember Gaudreau's fly-by leaving Gio spralwed in front of the net trying to cover two guys? Or his multiple blue line giveaways leading to odd man rushes at critical times? Remember Brodie's giveaway with a casual pass in OT? Remember him getting beaten to the puck on backchecks a bunch of times, despite his ability to skate? I do.

Players make mistakes, pointing to a few specific examples during the course of a full season is kind of dumb. You'll be just as disappointed by anyone else, because they too will make mistakes.

It's more about how they recover from mistakes (that everyone makes). This past season they had a tough time bouncing back, whereas almost the same roster used to be ultra resilient.

So there is a lot to be said for letting a new coach's principles sink in before trading guys away.

[TOfan]

Guys on the morning show talking about how good a fit RoR would be here.....

[Toonage]

They've been banging the O'Reilly drum for some time now.

If we look at their talking points (morning & afternoon shows) over the past few weeks and assume they have even a modicum of inside info we can anticipate that:

1) Peters will be our next coach
2) O'Reilly will be a Flame
3) Hamilton will be moved

Interesting summer indeed.

(no I don't really think all of those things will happen)

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Guys on the morning show talking about how good a fit RoR would be here.....

ROR is the new Jokinen. He is nowhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

If he comes to Calgary, his legacy will be just like Ollie; showing us how ill-informed some of the fanbase is.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

ROR is the new Jokinen. He is nowhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

If he comes to Calgary, his legacy will be just like Ollie; showing us how ill-informed some of the fanbase is.

Nice way to endear yourself to the rest of us. I suppose we should start seeking your advice before discussing players seeing you are so well informed?

[Flames_F.T.W]

It's mouth watering to imagine having a C with ROR's faceoff prowess!

[Toonage]

Morning crew also suggesting Fox could be a trade chip. Unpopular opinion but I agree with this and do expect his rights will be moved in a deal to bolster the top 6 this summer.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

It's mouth watering to imagine having a C with ROR's faceoff prowess!

Yeah, but not so mouth-watering to imagine giving up $7.5 million a year plus the assets to acquire him. There are much, much bigger holes to fill.

Faceoffs are an important detail, but they are still a detail. I worked out a couple of years back, when the Flames had the worst FO% in the league, that it was costing them about one minute per game of possession time (compared to average). You just don't pay $7.5 million to fix that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

ROR is the new Jokinen. He is nowhere near as good as some people make him out to be.

If he comes to Calgary, his legacy will be just like Ollie; showing us how ill-informed some of the fanbase is.

Interesting. Haven't heard that point of view from any knowledgable hockey journalist/scout/professional.

Wasn't he on the World Cup roster, thus suggesting he is among the elite C from Canada?

I don't see any comparison between Olli Jokenin and RoR. Not even close.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Morning crew also suggesting Fox could be a trade chip. Unpopular opinion but I agree with this and do expect his rights will be moved in a deal to bolster the top 6 this summer.

Not sure why it's so unpopular. He's one in a group of solid defensive prospects and he is not a guarantee to ever play for the franchise. To me he's a logical trade chip. People have to realize that unless you are dealing with Chiarelli you don't get good players for mediocre players. You have to give up good players to get good players.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nice way to endear yourself to the rest of us. I suppose we should start seeking your advice before discussing players seeing you are so well informed?

Are you self identifying with that group?

Team needs scoring help.

How does ROR fix that?

He slots in slightly above Backlund. Probably costs you Backlund. You also have Janko in dev, who could fill a similar role soon.

At least Jokinen was a C when we needed a C.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Interesting. Haven't heard that point of view from any knowledgable hockey journalist/scout/professional.

Wasn't he on the World Cup roster, thus suggesting he is among the elite C from Canada?

I don't see any comparison between Olli Jokenin and RoR. Not even close.

1. Of course knowledgeable hockey journalist/scout/professional are not referring to my post on CP.

2. You were not here at the time, but there were some very vocal people that wanted Jokinen here even though it wasn't what we needed (playmaking centre, versus shooting centre). The results were predictable.

ROR is not coming here unless there is a significant roster overhaul because he does not fill a priority need.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, but not so mouth-watering to imagine giving up $7.5 million a year plus the assets to acquire him. There are much, much bigger holes to fill.

Faceoffs are an important detail, but they are still a detail. I worked out a couple of years back, when the Flames had the worst FO% in the league, that it was costing them about one minute per game of possession time (compared to average). You just don't pay $7.5 million to fix that.

While you do make a valid point about the assets required to acquire ROR, I think you're underselling the various other qualities he brings to the table (leardership, scoring, grit, excellent 2-way game).

I agree there are other pressing needs to be addressed this summer, but I also think acquiring ROR could do wonders for our C depth and go a long way in establishing much needed top 9 depth. He doesn't sound happy with the satus quo in Buffalo and may have even asked for a trade... which could make the acquisition cost much more palatable.

[Roof-Daddy]

ROR can play all three forward positions, but if he were to come here he would still play center because we don't have a 3rd center good enough right now.

Janko is not ready
Bennett failed at C
Backlund is a good 2C but not enough offense, especially on the PP, he's better served as a 3C

Monahan
O'Reilly
Backlund


It's not that difficult to comprehend.

[Ozy_Flame]

I just came into the thread, are we getting ROR? Why so much chatter?

[Roof-Daddy]

The Flames BIGGEST weakness last season was their inability to have a 3rd line who could score consistently, and some folks can't see how adding another center who consistently scores 20+ goals and 60ish points would help???

Another one of their BIGGEST weaknesses was their inability to score on the powerplay, yet some folks trumpet how ROR's doesn't score enough 5v5 but gets a lot of PP points??? This is a problem how???

...and then to be snarky about it? LOL

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure why it's so unpopular. He's one in a group of solid defensive prospects and he is not a guarantee to ever play for the franchise. To me he's a logical trade chip. People have to realize that unless you are dealing with Chiarelli you don't get good players for mediocre players. You have to give up good players to get good players.

A few weeks back when he decided to stay in school and some people panicked (legit or not) it drew a ton of fire. I figure its an unpopular opinion because people believe that he is destined to sign and there shouldn't be any concern.