[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

Then get rid of some current players.

That's going to happen regardless of who is hired.

[Gaskal]

The two Canadian offers are probably from Calgary and Edmonton. Can't think of any others considering a coaching change, except maybe Ottawa.

Really hoping he settles on the Edmonton McDavids.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

The two Canadian offers are probably from Calgary and Edmonton. Can't think of any others considering a coaching change, except maybe Ottawa.

Really hoping he settles on the Edmonton McDavids.

Ottawa was the thought of my source. They didn't think Peter's would choose the Oilers #### show of the old boys club.

That last comment fits with other hearsay that McLellan hates coaching there and wants out.

[Stanley]

There's more votes for Tippett than Peters??

yikes...

[Red]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Posted this in the other GG thread, prob belongs here.

I heard a little more info yesterday. Contemplated saying anything as what I heard was personal. By no means does this mean it's the Flames either. However, Peter's is looking/facilitating a move to Canada. That's all I'll say on that.

I've seen a couple posters question that Peter's is/isn't leaving Carolina. Maybe you haven't seen the other thread? Peter's is negotiating his settlement from his option year. It's a complicated negotiation, hence the extension. This extension has nothing to do with deciding if he will stay with Carolina or not. He's leaving. With 2 Canadian offer in his hand, my source doesn't know where he will go. It's been quite tight lipped.

Not sure if I got this right and certainly there are intricate details in all contracts, but does a coach not forfeit their severance when accepting a new job during that year?

[Ashasx]

Would the team offering Peters a coaching job be required to pay him his $1.6 million salary? Can't imagine Melnyk wants to pay that much for a coach on top of his fired coach's salary.

[Stanley]

I voted AV. I know I said yuk to AV before but it was mostly stemmed from memories of hating him when he coached the Nucks...a long time ago now.

Sutter, would be nice but I dunno, I don't see him duplicating what he did in LA with this p*ssy roster.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Stanley

There's more votes for Tippett than Peters??

yikes...

People should not be surprised by this. Peters is relatively unknown and with a middling NHL track record. Of course he is not going to inspire a fanbase who either likes tried-and-true performers, or are excited about shiny new things.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Red

Not sure if I got this right and certainly there are intricate details in all contracts, but does a coach not forfeit their severance when accepting a new job during that year?

Yes, but when he has another deal in his pocket he really isn't losing anything. Most times when coaches are let go with term still available on their contracts, they get paid UNTIL they accept another job at which time the team agrees to release them from their contract as long as they do not have to pay them anymore. There are a couple exceptions where it may be negotiated for partial payment etc. to make up the difference on the new deal if it comes in at less $$.

[Bingo]

Sutter's last few seasons were rumoured to be Stevens running the X and Os with Sutter managing the bench in games and the temperament, which I think makes sense.

My first choice would land with Peters as the head coach and Sutter as an associate building a combination that would give the team the modern systems to compete, but with a leadership voice on the bench to backfill the obvious issues with the guys wearing skates.

Unlikely, but that would be my perfect landing spot.

[smiggy77]

Thoughts on player usage with Vigneault? A lot of our concerns with GG were the odd player usage and favoring veterans, which a lot of people mentioned occurred in Van and even NYR:

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2018/4...-hitchcock-nhl

In Vancouver, his general treatment of young talent with the Canucks — considered questionable in the waning years — followed him to New York.

In a story that will sound eerily familiar to Stars fans, Vigneault scratched high-ceiling defensemen like Anthony DeAngelo and Neal Pionk over preferred veterans, even though Pionk would end the season on the top pairing with Marc Staal, and DeAngelo finally broke into the lineup before an ankle injury cut his season short in March. Then there’s the story of Pavel Buchnevich. By all accounts, his ability to produce (although very good) was not proportional to his ice time, and New York suffered as a result — and not just because he was scratched for Tanner Glass.

Scratching players like Buchnevich for Glass, and placing obstinate trust in defense pairings that weren’t getting it done over pairs that did is exactly the kind of thing Nill should be wary of. And not just because New York’s average rank in expected goals percentage during the last four seasons was 22nd.

There’s also the “not being on the same page as the GM” component. After New York signed Brendan Smith, Vigneault healthy scratched him twice. Smith would subsequently get sent down to the AHL. Healthy scratches can serve a purpose, and none of this is to absolve Smith of guilt (who legitimately struggled). However, that doesn’t explain the Keith Yandle situation; a player who performed well as a trade deadline boost, but immediately received third pairing minutes, and second unit power play time despite scoring more on the man advantage than the two defensemen in front of him.

There’s also the issue of “stats packages.” Vigneault had his own statistics in New York, and whatever they were, they didn’t correlate with efficiency. If you’re hearing an echo, it’s Ken Hitchcock’s synergy stats and extended zone time he used to justify Devin Shore as the “most versatile player on the team.”

Although his record speaks for itself. I'm curious on the public opinion as I've read about it back when he was in Van but not really much in NY.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Kudos to the mod who added Eakins, something for the trolls and Oiler fans to choose

I thought someone said Eakins he was actually interviewed the last go around. so maybe that's why he was added.

was that true, or just a bad joke?

[Textcritic]

I didn't vote in the last coaching poll, and I am not voting in this one. I honestly cannot decide who I want behind the bench.

I will say that I am pretty confident I do not want the Flames to hire Lindy Ruff, Dallas Eakins or Dave Tippett.

[Royle9]

Tippett's style of hockey doesn't exactly breed "exciting" which is why I want to steer FAR clear of Dave unfortunately.

But wasn't it rumored that Tippett and Maloney had a huge fallout which is why Maloney was let go? I'd wager there's no chance he comes to CGY with Maloney being part of Calgary now.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by NiklasSundblad

I have a hunch it's because of his two Stanley Cups.

I have no doubt that that is a significant reason, but I'm wondering out loud how much the nostalgia is adding to it and possibly blinding over the fact he may not be a current fit.

[nik-]

We deserve better than Dave Tippett hockey. We've been through enough.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Thoughts on player usage with Vigneault? A lot of our concerns with GG were the odd player usage and favoring veterans, which a lot of people mentioned occurred in Van and even NYR:

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2018/4...-hitchcock-nhl



Although his record speaks for itself. I'm curious on the public opinion as I've read about it back when he was in Van but not really much in NY.

Gauging a fanbase's reaction to coaching decisions is not a great way to evaluate a coach. I have heard the same complaints about player-usage applied to practically every coach in the League.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gulutzan's poor results don't excuse Trotz's results.

I don't know where I saw it, but somebody made the comparison that the 2009-2018 Capitals are like the 1986-1995 Flames, sans the Cup win.

Trotz's results of 45, 56, 55 and 49 win seasons thus far? I'm not buying this narrative you're pushing based on those results alone and the fact that the year before he arrived they missed the playoffs entirely with questions about blowing the team up entirely.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sutter's last few seasons were rumoured to be Stevens running the X and Os with Sutter managing the bench in games and the temperament, which I think makes sense.

My first choice would land with Peters as the head coach and Sutter as an associate building a combination that would give the team the modern systems to compete, but with a leadership voice on the bench to backfill the obvious issues with the guys wearing skates.

Unlikely, but that would be my perfect landing spot.

doesn't it usually work that the leadership/motivating guy is the head coach with the x and O guy the associate/assistant?
I don't see how it would work with the main leadership and motivational component being the assistant. seems it would undercut the head coach.

[SuperMatt18]

Sutter: Love the guy but don't think this roster suits him at all.

AV: Good coach if we get the guy from early in his time in New York and not the guy the fan base hated the last year and a half who made lots of questionable decisions.

Trotz: Don't think he really fits Treliving's bill as a "forward thinking" coach

Peters: Not as sour as many on here seem to be, think his record in Carolina actually isn't terrible considering their cap spend, roster, and ownership issues.

Lindy Ruff: That one's interesting actually. Think this is actually a similar roster to what he had in Dallas in 15/16 or Buffalo 05-07.

Sheldon Keefe: Guy is heralded as the next can't miss coach. Unclear if he's more Jon Cooper or Dallas Eakins at this point.

Tippett: Do not want. Have never liked the style of hockey the guy played, even going back to his time in Dallas.

Boudreau: Should be first choice if available. Always seems to be able to get a team to get to the playoffs, with different styles.

I'm honestly kind of torn on who I'd prefer. Lots of pros and cons to each guy. Only guys I don't really want at this point would be Trotz or Tippett.