[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Holy ####. This guys winning % is insane.

Gallant's junior coaching record is also unbelievable. However, Gallant also had more NHL experience whereas Keefe has no NHL coaching experience at all.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Hartley would top Sutter any day on his quotes.

I think I watched like 80-90% of the Hartley pre/post games. It was as much a part of the watching experience as the game itself.

[Young_Guns]

I'll vote for AV. I'm not so sure Sutter wants to be back in CGY, despite what has been talked about lately. I would be fine with either of those 2 and quite possibly even Trotz if he becomes available.

[djsFlames]

If we go the less-proven route, I'd definitely take Keefe over Peters.

Think it won't matter anyway cause it looks like they're seeking some experienced this time.

[Svartsengi]

Carolina's power play was 18.4% and the penalty kill was 77.4%. I wouldn't be eager to hire Bill Peters based on that. Hurricanes pp was only slightly better than Flames and penalty kill was worse. The Rangers pp was over 21% and penalty kill over 81%. I would rather have Alain Vigneault come here. Don't know if Alain is the right guy but whoever Treliving hires better be known for having a history of good special teams.

[Svartsengi]

Flames need a coach with a history of good special teams. Bill Peters is NOT that guy. Alain Vigneault's NYR were much better on pp than Carolina and Calgary. Will wait to see who else comes available but I lean to Vigneault right now.

[Itse]

Comparing this list to other poll from two years, wow there are a lot of good options available right now. Has to be very rare to have so many experienced, successful coaches out of a job all at the same time.

[tfi racing]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Coach Sutter became GM here... :-)

And what an awesome job he did as GM,built the foundation for this team that since his departure till this day contends for the Stanley Cup. Great idea,let's bring that guy back to ensure the Flame's championship legacy continues...

[Caged Great]

Bill Peters seems to be a lateral move at best.

Does not seem like a good idea for a team that's attempting to be serious about winning.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by tfi racing

And what an awesome job he did as GM,built the foundation for this team that since his departure till this day contends for the Stanley Cup. Great idea,let's bring that guy back to ensure the Flame's championship legacy continues...

Good thing we'd be bringing him back as a coach where he's been to three finals and won two cups in the last 14 years and not as GM.

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Glen Gulutzan - 164 Games
83-68-10
Playoff appearances: (1)
Lost in 1st rd. of 17' playoffs

Bob Hartley - 294 Games
134-135-25
Playoff Appearances: (1)
Lost in 2nd rd. of 15' playoffs.

Brent Sutter - 246 Games
118-90-38
Playoff Appearances:
Did Not Qualify

[EldrickOnIce]

All we really know for sure is if the hire isn't AV or DS, CP widespread panic will ensue.

[bubbsy]

Av please.

Those strong Canuck teams played a very very fast transition game which is what i want to see given tge strong puck moving dman the flames have.

I also think he got a lot out of a rangers roster over the years despite it not being littered with top end talent outside of Lundqvist.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

President's trophy contending teams win the Cup most years. Teams with 105 points or more.

Lower seeded teams don't win very often.

What Sutter did in LA was abnormal.

I'm not sure this is true?
Maybe actually winning the Cup is correlated to that, but definitely not long playoff runs.

Preds squeaked in with 94 last year. Lost in final
Sharks before with 98. Lost in final.
Hawks won before that as 3rd place team
Previously the Kings winning.

What you have to do is always get there. Then anything might happen.
In that respect though, AV is a guy who pretty much always gets there easily.

[longsuffering]

Honest question.

Why all the support for AV? I don't see him as a modern coach. The only thing that intrigues me about AV is the possibility that his "swagger" might rub off on the team.

OTOH Trotz has always seemed to a coach that builds a 'team' and gets the most out of players. Granted he doesn't have much playoff success to hang his hat on but we need to become successful in the regular season before considering ourselves to be Stanley Cup contenders.

YMMV

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Honest question.

Why all the support for AV? I don't see him as a modern coach. The only thing that intrigues me about AV is the possibility that his "swagger" might rub off on the team.

OTOH Trotz has always seemed to a coach that builds a 'team' and gets the most out of players. Granted he doesn't have much playoff success to hang his hat on but we need to become successful in the regular season before considering ourselves to be Stanley Cup contenders.

YMMV

What exactly is the definition of "modern coach"? Glen Gulutzan was supposedly a modern coach. That didn't turn out so well. Most of the best coaches in this league have been around for a while so I feel "modern coach" doesn't really have any correlation to success. I personally don't care about the approach as long as there's a track record of success. AV has had a lot of success in this league, more so than Trotz. I think Trotz is also a good head coach but I don't know how anyone can say he's a better coach than AV as there's no evidence statistically to support that.

[MJK]

Hard choice, Sutter was a brilliant coach and got a ton out of an OK team. He would have much more to work with this time around similar to when he took over LA and ultimately led them to the cup.

Sutter, Vignault, Trotz or Tippet are the guys I like. Lindy Ruff would have been a top choice a couple of years ago.

[Erick Estrada]

I don't doubt that Darryl Sutter would be a big improvement but he's closer to the bottom of my list than the top of coaches I would like to see hired. I think this team needs to get past the stage of being a playoff hopeful and maybe anything can happen in the playoffs. That's mediocrity IMO. I want to see a team that takes care of business in the regular season and sets themselves up with home ice advantage in the playoffs. My issue with Sutter is that his style of coaching takes a toll over an 82 game season as those cup winning Kings teams had to scratch and claw just to get into the playoffs. Just because he could make historic runs with wildcard teams with a veteran Kings team I don't think you can count on him to recreate that magic with a different roster. I just don't know if this roster is built to play Sutter hockey like it needs to be played to get the utmost success. I feel it's built more for an up-tempo speed game (ironically Gulutzan and his staff never took advantage of this).

[Red]

The notion that Sutter's coaching is outdated is silly at best. The guy is a smart cookie and I am sure he can figure out what's changed and how to adjust.
He is the master of adjustments, probably what makes him such a good coach to start with.

I am not saying that he is the best choice for this team, but if he were hired he'd figure things out pretty quick. It wouldn't take him 50 games to put Hamilton on the PP, that's for sure.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

Carolina's power play was 18.4% and the penalty kill was 77.4%. I wouldn't be eager to hire Bill Peters based on that. Hurricanes pp was only slightly better than Flames and penalty kill was worse. The Rangers pp was over 21% and penalty kill over 81%. I would rather have Alain Vigneault come here. Don't know if Alain is the right guy but whoever Treliving hires better be known for having a history of good special teams.

I think we all want AV far more than Peters. However, compare the defences and goaltending (pre-injury) of the two teams and you can easily explain the penalty killing difference. More significantly, the Hurricanes were the least penalized team in the NHL by a long shot, and consequently surrendered fewer power play goals against than we did.