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View Poll Results: Who do you want as the Flames' new coach
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Darryl Sutter
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232 |
27.59% |
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Alain Vigneault
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395 |
46.97% |
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Barry Trotz
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72 |
8.56% |
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Bill Peters
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31 |
3.69% |
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Lindy Ruff
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16 |
1.90% |
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Dallas Eakins
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16 |
1.90% |
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Sheldon Keefe
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6 |
0.71% |
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Dave Tippett
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30 |
3.57% |
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Someone else...
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43 |
5.11% |
04-17-2018, 06:26 PM
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#2001
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Originally Posted by colbym72
Top comment on Peters from r/Hurricanes coaching thread...Sounds like a former coach lol
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To be fair, those comments are consistent with pretty much every nhl team that missed the playoffs or underachieved this season.
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04-17-2018, 06:26 PM
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#2002
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
He should be hiring the most accomplished coach he can. Full stop. Its not a matter of believing in the GM, logic says he should do this because it's repeatable. The Flames shouldn't have to hope their coach exceeds his norm/results to make any progress with their roster.
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No. He should be hiring the best coach available. Full stop.
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04-17-2018, 06:28 PM
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#2003
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Retired
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Pacific Ocean
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
To be fair, those comments are consistent with pretty much every nhl team that missed the playoffs or underachieved this season.
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Exactly - you can find almost word for word quotes about AV from Ranger's fans as well.
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04-17-2018, 06:29 PM
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#2004
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)
Yep. And for good reason. Lack is not an nhl goalie.
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Careful.
You can’t say anything too harsh about a player or coach on here. They may be reading along
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04-17-2018, 06:29 PM
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#2005
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Not from what I have seen. I have noticed a number of posters today have commented about how fast and entertaining Carolina has looked under Peters. Does Vignault or Sutter employ "a more up-tempo game"? I don't think that is the best description of either of their approaches.
I just think it is silly to dismiss outright the possibility that he would be a good choice.
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Any coach might or might not work. A proven coach might suck here, but the tangibles you're hiring a proven coach for are a lot easier to justify.
If Peters is hired here, and we do well, then thank god, but if he doesn't? How does Brad justify another experiment for a coaching hire again?
The core players, the players I think will stay through any player movement (Monahan, Gaudreau, Hamilton, Backlund) are burning through their prime years here, not so much with Hamilton clearly because he's young.
Another 2 year coaching mistake takes Gio to the twilight of his career.
I just don't see it as a time to gamble on a hire. He needs to get this one right. Peters is a gamble, and not just in the sense that any coaching hire is a gamble, because yes, they are. He's more of a gamble because he just hasn't shown he can do it here in the same amount of seasons Gulatzan has had.
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04-17-2018, 06:29 PM
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#2006
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
It must be reasonable to question his ability to make the playoffs as a NHL coach, being 0 for 4
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Of course it is reasonable to raise these questions, and I certainly have my doubts about Peters. But what I think is unreasonable is to decide by fiat beforehand that this is the wrong choice, or that there is an "obvious choice."
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04-17-2018, 06:29 PM
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#2007
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
He should be hiring the most accomplished coach he can. Full stop.
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Scotty's gonna be 85 next season, though.
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"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
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04-17-2018, 06:30 PM
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#2008
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Lifetime Suspension
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Could you imagine the buzz around town with a sutter lead team in the playoffs? Would be amazing
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04-17-2018, 06:30 PM
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#2009
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
No. He should be hiring the best coach available. Full stop.
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Best=best track record. I don't know how you can argue otherwise.
If the team can't make any progress with a proven commodity, you have to start making significant trades.
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04-17-2018, 06:31 PM
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#2010
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
No. He should be hiring the best coach available. Full stop.
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So Peters has 4 seasons, no playoffs.
Sutter has 16 seasons, 13 in the playoffs. 17 series won. 2 cups
Clearly the case can not be made that he is the best coach available
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04-17-2018, 06:31 PM
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#2011
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
I think there will be a Hamilton-like move on draft day again. Except at a forward position.
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Say what you want about Tre but he is as good as any GM at swinging for the fences. A new coach coming in would have issues giving up on a player like Hamilton not so much on a player like Brodie. I can see us getting a player like Hoffman and Pageut for Brodie and Rittich. Hockey Canada seems to like Peters so there must be something there.
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04-17-2018, 06:32 PM
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#2012
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Franchise Player
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AV, please come on down!
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04-17-2018, 06:33 PM
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#2013
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Lifetime Suspension
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You can hire someone out of shape to turn the grinding wheel and hope they have potential, or hire a ripped mother####er that you know will turn that wheel like an animal.
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04-17-2018, 06:33 PM
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#2014
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
So Peters has 4 seasons, no playoffs.
Sutter has 17 seasons, 14 in the playoffs. 17 series won. 2 cups
Clearly the case can not be made that he is the best coach available
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any news if Sutter even wants to coach again?
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04-17-2018, 06:35 PM
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#2015
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Franchise Player
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Pretty certain the GM will try to grab the available coach that he believes will accomplish the most with the projected roster.
That is not necessarily the most accomplished available coach.
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04-17-2018, 06:35 PM
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#2017
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by nik-
Any coach might or might not work. A proven coach might suck here, but the tangibles you're hiring a proven coach for are a lot easier to justify.
If Peters is hired here, and we do well, then thank god, but if he doesn't? How does Brad justify another experiment for a coaching hire again?
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He doesn't. If the next coach fails in the short term then Treliving will probably lose his job.
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...I just don't see it as a time to gamble on a hire. He needs to get this one right. Peters is a gamble, and not just in the sense that any coaching hire is a gamble, because yes, they are. He's more of a gamble because he just hasn't shown he can do it here in the same amount of seasons Gulatzan has had.
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So, why has Peters not experienced much success in his NHL coaching career? Do you know?
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04-17-2018, 06:35 PM
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#2018
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Barca
any news if Sutter even wants to coach again?
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Someone said in the other thread that apparently he has said he would coach again. If the team meets his needs. 5-6 year contract, cup winner potential, make sense for family.
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04-17-2018, 06:38 PM
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#2019
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barca
any news if Sutter even wants to coach again?
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Last year, after he was fired.
https://www.nhl.com/news/former-king...ew/c-289131574
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"Not yet," Sutter said about his plans to retire. "The game has given us everything and we still have lots to give."
He said a key consideration is that whatever job he chooses is a good fit for his family.
"Been lucky," he said. "But I'm not 30 and don't need to take the first job. If it's right for Chris (his son), Wanda (his wife) and myself, we'll give it a look."
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John Shannon also said he still has a strong relationship with ownership.
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04-17-2018, 06:38 PM
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#2020
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
So Peters has 4 seasons, no playoffs.
Sutter has 16 seasons, 13 in the playoffs. 17 series won. 2 cups
Clearly the case can not be made that he is the best coach available
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So, in your opinion the General Manager should simply look at these numbers and make his decision on those to the exclusion of everything else?
I think the records and accomplishments are a key part of the decision, but I also expect there will be a lot of other things to take into consideration.
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