[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[FlamesAddiction]

I would love to see Sutter hired. Great coach, but would also put Treliving on the hot seat to have an experienced GM in the wings.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This is just from my head. But would Sutter be a Treliving hire or something ownership shoves down his throat? I'd be thinking that Sutter would be a vote of no confidence of the GM.

Or maybe not. I don't know but with Sutter being known to have strong ties still with Flames owners it's something to consider.

Sutter was all about truculence and possession in LA, so I don't see any philosophical issues. Personality wise? No clue.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Kerr making a good point that regardless of coaches, the team still feels streaky overall and its fate depends on where those streaks take them and how they are timed. That feel with the team has carried over through a few coaches. So what needs to change?

It's clear from that we need someone to bring in consistency. Probably a coach that preaches work ethic and not getting too high or low (which lends to streakiness), along with the quick transition game that these guys have thrived on in the past. Something resembling the approach Gallant is taking in Vegas.

I dunno how much Kerr's point really holds. Its the elite teams that enjoy only winning streaks. Flames haven't been elite. Well duh.

How do we get from here to elite? Give us some more goals via better goal scoring depth. Fix the PP. Tweak the player usage a bit. Suddenly most of our streaks will be winning streaks.

I don't think streakiness in itself is some sort of stand alone issue. Streakiness is much like our record in the standings, it just tells our how good or bad the team was. Good teams have less losing streaks and more winning streaks. Almost all teams are somewhat streaky.

I've heard Kerr mention this a bunch lately but it doesn't really resonate with me.

[devo22]

seeing good people lose their jobs is never great, but any way you slice it, this had to happen. I don't doubt Gulutzan is a great guy and I wish him the best. For the organization, this was an overdue and necessary step and I'm happy that Treliving didn't wait any longer. As a fan, I'm just glad I don't have to lose my #### over Gulutzans system or a Cameron PP again, so even if some fans dread the next appointment, today is a good day organizationally for sure.

Interesting weeks ahead, certainly more interesting than the last of Gulutzans era. I doubt Treliving will want to leave the draft pick cupboard barren as it is, and there might be a bigger trade on the cards too. Crossing my fingers that Alain Vigneault would be tempted to come to Calgary.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What does gelinas do that he escapes firings?

What does Gelinas actually do? Pre-scouting? In-game adjustments? Player development?

Or was he simply hired to sit with chatterbox Conroy up in the press box so that Treliving could actually watch the game and get his work done?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

You mean the GM who recently went on record saying that the failed season starts with him?

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Re-read what you quoted.

[CaptainCrunch]

I doubt that Sutter would have all that much interest in coming back to coach Calgary. I have this expectation that him coming back to the NHL coaching ranks would be the team and job of his choosing. And choosing to go to a train wreck in Edmonton, or a dysfunctional organization in Calgary is far down his radar.

He's got his cups, he's clearly got his money, chances are what's he got left to achieve?

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

...But what Sutter did foster was a system and a style that brought guys together. And once we began to have success, you saw guys like Conroy suddenly start to view Calgary as a high point in their careers.

I know a few guys from that roster personally and they all say almost the same thing about Darryl's coaching: as a player you never had to guess what he wants; no mind games. He tells players exactly what he wants them to do and rewards them with more playing time for doing that well. Keenan and Hartley - completely different approach, lots of mind games and humiliation.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Sutter was all about truculence and possession in LA, so I don't see any philosophical issues. Personality wise? No clue.

Possession is fine and can be effective. The problem with Gulutzan is that I honestly feel he was coaching to CORSI and other advanced stats instead of simply coaching the players in the heat of the moment letting the advanced stats speak for themselves. It was assbackwards and before the Flames hired Gulutzan, I would have thought it absurd that a coach would do that, but here we are.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I doubt that Sutter would have all that much interest in coming back to coach Calgary. I have this expectation that him coming back to the NHL coaching ranks would be the team and job of his choosing. And choosing to go to a train wreck in Edmonton, or a dysfunctional organization in Calgary is far down his radar.

He's got his cups, he's clearly got his money, chances are what's he got left to achieve?

Disagree. Calgary is still close to his lifelong family home and ranch. He poured his heart and soul into this team before. His family cheered for the Flames for parts of their lives.

I would think Calgary would probably be near the top of his list of places to work. The others would probably be the teams close to LA since he has some roots there now.

What makes you think he would see Calgary as dysfunctional? I think that's your valuation and outlook on the team. I don't think many in the hockey world would agree with your sentiment there.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Re-read what you quoted.

I interpreted the quote as a GM who doesn't see himself as part of the problem. My statement was that he was stated he was part of the problem.

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[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I interpreted the quote as a GM who doesn't see himself as part of the problem. My statement was that he was stated he was part of the problem.

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Sigalet was in your quote, that's who was being talked about. Not Treliving.

edit: Sorry, Sigalet was not in your quote, but in TC's quote. TC was talking about Sigalet, not Treliving.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by Racki

I’m not sure exactly why I don’t want Bill Peters but I don’t. This is starting to feel like when Gulutzan’s name kept coming up two years ago. I/we all thought that hiring Glen Gulutzan made no sense and couldn’t possibly happen. Then it happened and it turned out just like I/we thought it would.

I have much the same feeling. I feel like Bill Peters has a style that’s very much similar to GGs but maybe he’s a slightly better coach. The benefit of a similar style might be an easier quicker transition. Still, I feel like we need bigger changes and that key players shouldn’t be traded but a coach brought in that suits them.

When Alain Vigneault became available and reading about his coaching style, my first reaction was that I didn’t like the sound of it. BUT I had read the speculations that some Flame players are more in it for themselves and gave it more thought. A coach with a style like AV puts players in distinct roles which can maximize their potential and might in fact help them “pad” their stats at the same time as helping the team perform. For example our most offensively gifted players would likely have more O zone starts and less defensive responsibility. An offensively gifted D man would be activated more, have O zone starts, and slightly less defensive responsibility. By helping them and their ego or want for stats you help the team. Could we then shelter some players with less of a team mindset without harm? To me this plus a coach with a stronger emotional drive reduces the need to blow up the player corps. Now trades can be made but that component reduced. Of course my whole rant and speculation is based on believing there is some truth to the rumors of key players who see things mostly through their own eyes.

None of this is to say we shouldn’t trade key individuals but you don’t always get good value back especially when coaching hasn’t maximized their key marketable strengths. I’d rather see a new coach put them in better roles than see them traded without the right return.

[SportsJunky]

Can you imagine what happens to this D when Sutter gets a hold of them?

[GioforPM]

Sutter coaches a possession game, but not necessarily a fast aggressive offensive style. He liked 2-1 games. He kept Doughty on a leash, Kopitar too.

That said, I think he is a smart enough guy that he coaches with the tools at hand. His hockey IQ is really underrated because of his demeanor, and therefore media plays up his influence over player effort and work as some sort of explanation.

He's a really good combination of theory and motivation IMO. Probably as good as there is.

[oldschoolcalgary]

my concern with Darryl is that he's more of a 'finisher' in terms of a coach... a team with a lot of the pieces in place can benefit with Sutter squeezing every ounce of effort from them...

however, I am not sure if the Flames have that kind of lineup in them...Can Sutter be effective in taking a youngish lineup and building them up into a contender...

not sure if he can...?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Can you imagine what happens to this D when Sutter gets a hold of them?

Brodie better hope he gets out alive this summer before it's too late!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

my concern with Darryl is that he's more of a 'finisher' in terms of a coach... a team with a lot of the pieces in place can benefit with Sutter squeezing every ounce of effort from them...

however, I am not sure if the Flames have that kind of lineup in them...Can Sutter be effective in taking a youngish lineup and building them up into a contender...

not sure if he can...?

Sutter's cup winners and certainly the 04 Flames had no more elite players than the present Flames. The '12 Kings had no 30 goal scorers. No 80 point scorers. Their second best offensive guy was Justin Williams, and then Dustin Brown (they did bring in Carter too). After Doughty their best Dman was Willie Mitchell (or maybe Voynov). The '14 Kings were kind of the same.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

my concern with Darryl is that he's more of a 'finisher' in terms of a coach... a team with a lot of the pieces in place can benefit with Sutter squeezing every ounce of effort from them...

however, I am not sure if the Flames have that kind of lineup in them...Can Sutter be effective in taking a youngish lineup and building them up into a contender...

not sure if he can...?

The 03-04 team wasn't exactly old.

Beyond age, next year will be Monahan's sixth season, Gaudreau's fifth, Bennett's fourth, Tkachuk's third. We're not exactly talking about rookies here.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter's cup winners and certainly the 04 Flames had no more elite players than the present Flames. The '12 Kings had no 30 goal scorers. No 80 point scorers. Their second best offensive guy was Justin Williams, and then Dustin Brown (they did bring in Carter too). After Doughty their best Dman was Willie Mitchell (or maybe Voynov). The '14 Kings were kind of the same.

I can't decide if I agree with you or not. On one hand I think, no way Kings had much better players. But they really didn't some developed into better players.