[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its been 2 years!

If you want to get technical it's actually been 669 days...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Ok... that doesn't answer my question though. If BT fires GG and there isn't an NHL head coach available, what should BT do?

Come on. There are always NHL head coaches ready to be hired. If you like they guy you have, you don't go looking for a new one.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What are you talking about? There is a pretty short list of potentially available NHL (as in, had success in the NHL) coaches. Peters, AV, Sutter, Trotz (maybe), Carlyle (maybe). None of which BTW, are guaranteed to want to a job coaching the Flames. So, it's a simple question, if BT fires GG today and a bonafide NHL HC isn't available, what position does that put BT into?

It puts him in the position to hire someone else. A retread may not actually be the correct choice right now. Just because a vocal section of the fanbase demands a “proven NHL coach” doesn’t mean it’s the only possibility.

[zamler]

There is no guarantee of anything, you can't manage a business assuming every decision you are considering is iron clad with no chance of failure. Do that and you'll get left behind and destroyed by your competition.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If you want to get technical it's actually been 669 days...

I'm not sure you're right, I'll have to deep dive that.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by zamler

Hire GG back because apparently he's the last NHL coach available in the foreseeable future.

If you trust in your argument, why don't you provide an actual answer. If you were BT, and you fired GG today, what is your next move? Let's add a hypothetical, if there aren't any experienced NHL coaches available (very realistic possibility, as I outlined earlier) who do you hire? Keeping in mind that you already gambled on a rookie coach, and it hasn't worked out well. Another failed gamble and you're most certainly going to be fired.

I am aware that if GG fails again this year BT will likely lose his job. My point is this is not as easy a decision as many of you are making it out to be.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not sure you're right, I'll have to deep dive that.

I think I know a thing or two about it actually. I have owned several calendars in my life.

[taco.vidal]

If GlueGun is back, as a fan it makes me sick. Imagine how the Flames’ players must feel if they know they'll have to put up with seeing that face everyday next season. Would anyone else other than Mr. Powerplay Troy Brouwer be excitied about another year of GlueGun. I wouldnt be mad if Flames’ players requested trades to get away from GlueGun.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Table 5

The main issue I have with Peters, is that instead of finding examples to demonstrate his successes, we're already looking for impediments that can be used to excuse his failures. It just kind of feels like Gulutzan 2.0.

It doesn't have to be this hard. Look for and hire coaches who have already got the job done at the NHL level. Coaches with playoff success, coaches with regular season success, coaches who win.

This team needs proven leadership, not more ifs and buts.

My thoughts exactly. Trying to rationalize & excuse decisions that look questionable to terrible at face value is a losing game, and the Flames have been giving us an awful lot of that to go around lately. Bill Peters would fall right into that same wheelhouse.

[dammage79]

Don't know if I could take another season of Gully's game.Thats all I got.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its been 2 years!

Thanks for the update

[djsFlames]

Why are people falling for it? Let's just not.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by VilleN

If you trust in your argument, why don't you provide an actual answer. If you were BT, and you fired GG today, what is your next move? Let's add a hypothetical, if there aren't any experienced NHL coaches available (very realistic possibility, as I outlined earlier) who do you hire? Keeping in mind that you already gambled on a rookie coach, and it hasn't worked out well. Another failed gamble and you're most certainly going to be fired.

I am aware that if GG fails again this year BT will likely lose his job. My point is this is not as easy a decision as many of you are making it out to be.

This is very simple for me. Day 1 of the off season GG would have been let go. The search for a legit, winning NHL coach proceeds. If that unfortunately falls though I look for the best person available that doesn't have NHL experience. If that falls though I scrape the bottom of the barrel, maybe lose my job because I could not deliver.

But I tried, I took that chance because that is a chance I had to take. Allowing GG to still be employed and let the situation fester is not something I would consider.

What would YOU do? You are poo pooing every suggestion so what's your solution?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Come on. There are always NHL head coaches ready to be hired. If you like they guy you have, you don't go looking for a new one.

Yes, obviously there are people willing to coach in the NHL that are available. If BT hires another rookie, or unproven NHL coach and things don't work out, he's in serious trouble. So he might be waiting to fire GG so he can be sure he gets a proven coach and avoid being in a position where he has to hire another unproven, rookie coach.

IMO, keeping GG or hiring another rookie coach or equally undesirable options, and I wouldn't choose one over the other. Tre could maybe survive having a proven NHL come in and fail, he certainly couldn't survive GG failing another year, or another rookie coach failing. From a job security stand point, what he is doing makes sense.

[dammage79]

And I definitely cannot take take another year of Dave Camerons Brouwerplays. If Cameron's back running the PP I will not spend money to go to games next year.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by zamler

This is very simple for me. Day 1 of the off season GG would have been let go. The search for a legit, winning NHL coach proceeds. If that unfortunately falls though I look for the best person available that doesn't have NHL experience. If that falls though I scrape the bottom of the barrel, maybe lose my job because I could not deliver.

But I tried, I took that chance because that is a chance I had to take. Allowing GG to still be employed and let the situation fester is not something I would consider.

What would YOU do? You are poo pooing every suggestion so what's your solution?

See post #1286: "If it were me, I'm holding on to GG for now, if an established NHL coach isn't available I would likely keep GG for next year and hire a new PP coach and look to improve the scoring on the roster. Firing GG right now is way too risky IMO... and I do want him fired, but I don't want him fired for some assistant coach, or AHL coach with limited experience. I'd rather roll the dice with a better PP coach and be content with the fact that our 5 v 5 play this season was actually quite good."

Edit: Also, Iv'e never poo pooed anything. You haven't given me an actual answer until now. I respect your opinion, but I think from a job security stand point, that isn't the best move.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And I definitely cannot take take another year of Dave Camerons Brouwerplays. If Cameron's back running the PP I will not spend money to go to games next year.

You know what I'm fine if GG comes back but 100% against it if that means Dave Cameron continues to be employed by the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

This is very simple for me. Day 1 of the off season GG would have been let go. The search for a legit, winning NHL coach proceeds. If that unfortunately falls though I look for the best person available that doesn't have NHL experience. If that falls though I scrape the bottom of the barrel, maybe lose my job because I could not deliver.

But I tried, I took that chance because that is a chance I had to take. Allowing GG to still be employed and let the situation fester is not something I would consider.

What would YOU do? You are poo pooing every suggestion so what's your solution?

It's simple because your "maybe lose my job" is not a reality. Tell me, what's the downside of doing everything you said except not firing GG until you've found the replacement or keeping him instead of "scraping the bottom of the barrel"? The latter is, IMO a complete abdication of Treliving's job. "I couldn't find anyone as good as GG but I'm firing him and getting a worse coach just because".

The situation is only "festering" in your mind. Show me something that says otherwise. AV hasn't been hired anywhere. If he is, show me that he would have come here if only GG had been fired before now.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

If GlueGun is back, as a fan it makes me sick. Imagine how the Flames’ players must feel if they know they'll have to put up with seeing that face everyday next season. Would anyone else other than Mr. Powerplay Troy Brouwer be excitied about another year of GlueGun. I wouldnt be mad if Flames’ players requested trades to get away from GlueGun.

I believe the players like him because he's not a hard ass like Hartley. They like his soft approach. They are part of the problem.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not sure you're right, I'll have to deep dive that.

Why change your MO?

Two years was quick and didn't require much work.