Don't egg cars in Columbus or you'll be shot

[Looger]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't live in an ivory tower and I'm not well-adjusted, but I do think murdering a child because he threw an egg at your car is a little excessive. Maybe if the killer had time to reflect, and a sharp saw, he could have just cut the kids arms off. That would be better.

people don't think straight when attacked by others. this is shocking to those who haven't had their lives threatened.

i have, and let me tell you, the last thing on my mind was how 'correct' or 'right' my self defense was.

some people see more red than others, and this kid picked the wrong guy on the wrong day. sucks to be him. lesson to all others: don't pick fights with strangers, you may stumble across some maniac.

people in the states get shot stealing cars, every day. why aren't we discussing the morality of that, as it's not directly threatening the life of the property owner?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

So if you shoot someone with a paintball gun, wouldn't that make you an even bigger jackass, who then deserves to be killed?

paintball would sure hurt less than a bullet. and i'm just saying what i think would work as a good deterrent, as only a lunatic would think this guy killing a kid was justified

doesn't however erase the fact that if the kid wasn't throwing eggs in the first place, he'd still be alive. when you hear stories about people climing fences at the zoo and getting eaten by a lion, do you put more blame on the lion or the idiot who provoked it? sure this story is different in that it was a free thinking human rather than an instinct driven animal, but if you go out of your way to provoke people when why is it so surprising that someone might lose it and take it to the extreme?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Looger

some people see more red than others, and this kid picked the wrong guy on the wrong day. sucks to be him. lesson to all others: don't pick fights with strangers, you may stumble across some maniac.

Call me crazy (or maybe "not crazy") but the old "some people have a worse temper than others" excuse doesn't quite cut it for me.

Sucks to be who? The guy who needs a car wash and a lawyer, or the dead person that was born in 1992?

[Looger]

...not sure where i said 'this guy is excused'...

whatever man. i've made my points. if you need me i'll be throwing stuff at your car from an overpass.

[pope04]

I'm appalled at some of the commments on this thread. I posted a thread last winter lamenting the actions of kids these days after I saw a teenaged girl - a three-minute walk away from her school - urinate on the sidewalk in broad daylight.

I'm in my early forties, and I've had my share of *&^%offs with kids in the past few years, but to suggest this kid deserved death is absurd.

This kid paid a pretty steep price for pubescent hijinx.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

I'm not sure shooting someone is a best way to go (well, of course not ). Hell, my car was egged once, but fortunately (or unfortunately for the kids), there were 5 of us in my car. We all got out of the car and chased the kids to their house and wait for them. They were pretty scared. Shut their lights and hid lol. We were just gonna scare them a bit, not kill them.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Looger

...not sure where i said 'this guy is excused'...

whatever man. i've made my points. if you need me i'll be throwing stuff at your car from an overpass.

Fair enough. If you need me I'll be on my roof with a hunting rifle waiting for the next kid to ring my doorbell and run away. He won't get very far.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Fair enough. If you need me I'll be on my roof with a hunting rifle waiting for the next kid to ring my doorbell and run away. He won't get very far.

oops, i lied aboot being done.

asigning blame is an easy out for everyone to feel better, to be shown a bad guy.

it's good for the cover of the calgary sun, isn't it?

"here's a bad person, he hurt these good people."

as for your blasting that kid away, well according to you i'm saying you'll have the 'excuse'.

happy hunting.

[jzA]

I might as well chime in on the issue. Lets just say this, If I was driving my brand new 200,000 dollar sports car, and some kid thew an egg at it, I would be extremly mad. Mad enough to pull out my eagle and pop someone? no, but I would definitly teach him a lesson some how. *not physical*. Still, the parenting should come into question here, although I do feel sorry for the family.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Looger

we're trained by media, society, etc. to think that all isues have two sides, that everything is the fault of 'this guy' or 'that guy', which is total ****ing bull****.

sometimes (well most times) things happen that aren't so easy to pin down. sometimes person A steps across the line with person B, who overreacts.

we can be all high and mighty and say 'person B is a psycho' but honestly, if person A hadn't ****ed with him, everything would be ok.

throwing things at cars can cause accidents that kill people. i know if someone threw something at me on the road, that it would be a bad call on their part.

all us nice and polished and happy and well-adjusted ivory tower dwellers can look down on the troglodytes that are over-protective of their life and property and feel better.

Person A was a stupid kid who threw an egg. Was it a stupid thing to do. You bet it was. But should a mother and a father have to bury their child due to someone not having the ability to control their anger and instead use physical force (deadly force at that) against a 14 year old.

Same thing with someone who beats their child. Sure the kid might have done something stupid but does that mean that it is justified in bringing out the belt and beating them good? Does a wife burning dinner mean that it is understandable for some jackass to slap her around a bit. I mean forgetting about the stove could cause a fire which could kill many people and cost someone everything they have.

And you can rest assured that whichever idiot did this likely was directing anger form everything that had gone wrong in his life towards someone who couldn't fight back. No one in their right mind shoots someone else because they have to go to the car wash and spend 2 dollars getting some egg removed from the side of their SUV.

Live in an Ivory Tower I do not - and I don't appreciate it when someone steals something of mine or does something to wrong me. What I don't do though is I don't grab a gun. Open the door. Chase after someone. Find someone. Point the gun at them. Pull the trigger.... how much time do you give someone to think in their own mind and answer the question as to whether their course of actions might be a bad idea and change their mind.

A mom and a dad are going to have to bury their child and explain to any brothers or sisters that kid might have had why Danny isn't coming home. And some people don't have any sympathy...

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Looger

oops, i lied aboot being done.

asigning blame is an easy out for everyone to feel better, to be shown a bad guy.

it's good for the cover of the calgary sun, isn't it?

"here's a bad person, he hurt these good people."

as for your blasting that kid away, well according to you i'm saying you'll have the 'excuse'.

happy hunting.

The guy who shot a 14 year old would in my opinion fall under the category of bad guy. I don't know if my priorities are screwed up but I would classify that as a bad person who obviously has impulse control issues and anger management problems.

Was the kid a boy scout - no. But that doesn't excuse someone murdering him.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jzA

I might as well chime in on the issue. Lets just say this, If I was driving my brand new 200,000 dollar sports car, and some kid thew an egg at it, I would be extremly mad. Mad enough to pull out my eagle and pop someone? no, but I would definitly teach him a lesson some how. *not physical*. Still, the parenting should come into question here, although I do feel sorry for the family.

Imagine if someone threw an egg at you...you swerved...ran into the ditch and killed yourself....after rolling the car 6 times.

Oh right...those kids are soooo innocent. It was wrong to shoot them...but I place the blame on both parties involved.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Was the kid a boy scout - no. But that doesn't excuse someone murdering him.

once again... i didn't 'excuse' this guy.

he'll be punished for some degree of murder, and i say, good - he should be charged with something for removing that spark of individual humanity from this earth.

if people go looking for fights, well maybe they'll find them. that's all i'm saying.

stop looking for crap like this. if you cure boredom by ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS than you'll find what you're looking for, that's inevitable.

in this dumb ****'s case he didn't have the good fortune to **** off some guy that simply administered a beating that he would never forget. he happened to draw the ire of some gun-toting one-man-warrior type.

chances are that gun-toter would have crossed that line somewhere else in his life, i guess when you go looking for it, you're risking it all when guys like that are out there.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Imagine if someone threw an egg at you...you swerved...ran into the ditch and killed yourself....after rolling the car 6 times.

Yeah that would suck.

But imagine this -- some kid throws an egg at your car... and you get egg on your car...eggshell on your door handle...and before you go to the car wash... you chase that kid down and kill him...then you get your car washed...and the egg is off the car...and you spend the rest of your life in prison...but at least you made sure that little creep would never hit another car with an egg...so you can sleep at night.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I mean cripes, the guy probably had Turtle Wax on that thing and the whole bit. Kids today don't appreciate the value of a good shine. So we should kill them.

[jzA]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah that would suck.

But imagine this -- some kid throws an egg at your car... and you get egg on your car...eggshell on your door handle...and before you go to the car wash... you chase that kid down and kill him...then you get your car washed...and the egg is off the car...and you spend the rest of your life in prison...but at least you made sure that little creep would never hit another car with an egg...so you can sleep at night.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I mean cripes, the guy probably had Turtle Wax on that thing and the whole bit. Kids today don't appreciate the value of a good shine. So we should kill them.

lol

[Jake]

I can't believe some of the comments in this thread.

They are just kids. They did a childish, stupid thing and were not mature enough to properly consider the consequences.

The person who shot them is 100% to blame. That should never be done. Some of you are acting like the kids were asking for it. If I was up to no good as a 14 year old getting shot would be the last thing on my mind. I'd be more afraid of my parents.

I hope this guy gets locked up for life. People like that shouldn't be part of society.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jake

I can't believe some of the comments in this thread.

They are just kids. They did a childish, stupid thing and were not mature enough to properly consider the consequences.

The person who shot them is 100% to blame. That should never be done. Some of you are acting like the kids were asking for it.

I can'r believe you think the shooter is a 100% responsible. Guess you haven't had your windshield covered with eggs as your driving down the street - not to mention the almost zero visabilty.

You just keep on supporting those little angels.

[ericschand]

You guys can't be serious. At least, I hope not.

"bull...gored"?!??
[Less] sympathy for the kids??!?

Geez, people, these kids were playing a prank. Like many have done.
And they got shot over **nothing**. It's an egg. You know, crusty
shell, goop inside? Makes a mess, but a trip to a carwash for $2 cleans
it up.

According to a few posts, I shouldn't be alive right now. I was caught
3 times doing similar stuff. That's right 3 times.

The first time, grade 2, we were "bowling" snowballs under cars as
they came along. Well, my friend had one get away and it went
through an open window, right onto the driver. He screeched to a
halt, and without looking I dove to hide..right into a puddle. *ick*
The driver hops out and gets to my friend, who then points to me.
Well, at the time I had no idea why he made funny faces, but I realize
now he probably was trying to keep from laughing at my wet and muddy
condition, and attempting to remain serious, while he yelled at us about
the snowball....and then let us go.

The second time a neighbour saw what we were up to, and told my
father. He wasn't too happy...I don't think I was outside for a couple
of weeks on that one.

The third time, I didn't learn huh? , I think we were let go because
another friend (different city, different friend) started bawling after one
driver snuck up behind us and scared the out of us.

But it was all a prank, kids being kids...and then...well, after a while,
learning from the mistakes (ie. don't drop, run! No no no j/k )

But for someone to shoot a kid over it...absolutely inexcuseable. If
he can't hold his rage over something like this, he is an incredible threat
to everyone else out there, next time he goes off because someone
cut him off?

ers

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

I can'r believe you think the shooter is a 100% responsible. Guess you haven't had your windshield covered with eggs as your driving down the street - not to mention the almost zero visabilty.

Have you had your windshield covered with eggs as you are driving down the street? If yes, please explain how that happened. If it did happen, what kind of gun did you use to kill the person responsible. If youd didn't kill that person, why not?

And I have another question for you...what if YOU came home one night to find your family tid up and gagged, with SOCKS in their mouths.They're screaming.Your trying to get in but there's too much BLOOD on the knob!!!!!

[ericschand]

Dion:
" I can'r believe you think the shooter is a 100% responsible."

The shooter is 100% responsible. If you own a gun, you are responsible
for it's discharge. You are responsible for the damage it does, plus, you
must take the consequences. A gun is not a harmless object, it is
designed to kill. You only use it when you intend to kill, only
in circumstances where you are about to be killed.

An egg, on the other hand, is harmless, and a prank.

The two do not go hand in hand.

The shooter, at minimum, should get life in prison.

ers