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Toonage · 04-13-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Is there actually a good case for AV as coach?
I'm not talking about the anybody is better than Gulutzan thing, so please don't.

Is Vigneault a guy we would actually want?

If we want someone who is proven to be successful in "today's NHL" (going back almost 10 years I suppose). But with any coach there are warts. He likes his vets. He loves him some Tanner Glass for example.

Right now, for this franchise, they should want someone who can forge a consistent approach. Get them in every year. I think AV has that track record.

Friedman on 960 right now - Says there will be clarity among a number of coaching decisions soon. Feels Treliving doesn't think GG should take the blame for all that happened. Reiterates the wrestling with the decision idea. Brings up Peters again but says that his option to leave the Hurricanes isn't dependent on Calgary "they aren't related" but Peters has worked with Treliving in the past and the 960 crew seems to want to go down that road.

Friedman also suggests the Oilers are calling one too many pressers. Amen.

Table 5 · 04-13-2018, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

I think he's stuck between determining whether its the coaches or the players.

The reality is that it's probably both. But you have to start with the guy that has the most impact on the way the team plays. This team may not be perfect, but at the very least you have to find a coach who can coach the majority of players in this lineup because short of blowing it up, this is 90-95% of the team we will have next year too.

Looch City · 04-13-2018, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I thought somebody said on this forum that they had inside knowledge that GG was going to be let go this past Monday?

I've got my pitchforks ready, anyone need any?

EldrickOnIce · 04-13-2018, 08:07 AM

Yeah. Made playoffs 9 straight years, prior to this year, including 2 cup finals and only 1 first round exit.

Split98 · 04-13-2018, 08:08 AM

If the team that fired a Jack Adams winner fails to fire a disappointment during the same tenure, I will have a hard time supporting Treliving.

I was not happy when Hartley was let go, but I trusted people smarter than I. But comparing what Bob did, and what Glenn has done - it's very clear that Glenn must go for us to trust their judgement going forward.

Toonage · 04-13-2018, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yeah. Made playoffs 9 straight years, prior to this year, including 2 cup finals and only 1 first round exit.

Tremendous resume.

2 ECF
1 WCF
2 SCF

Winning in both conferences is big IMO. Plenty of changes in how teams play.

He also rides that fine line between being a hard a## and a player's coach.

That being said the 960 guys are riding the Peters train right now.

That sounded weird.

Monahan For Mayor · 04-13-2018, 08:13 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh get it done. Maybe I'm to invested in this team, but I'm actually stressing out about this.

EldrickOnIce · 04-13-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Split98

If the team that fired a Jack Adams winner fails to fire a disappointment during the same tenure, I will have a hard time supporting Treliving.

I was not happy when Hartley was let go, but I trusted people smarter than I. But comparing what Bob did, and what Glenn has done - it's very clear that Glenn must go for us to trust their judgement going forward.

Since Bob was fired, 14 NHL coaches have been hired (not counting Calgary). There's a reason he isn't one of them.
Forward, not back. Please.

Table 5 · 04-13-2018, 08:15 AM

What exactly is the lure of Bill Peters again? I haven't really been paying attention, but from far away, he doesn't exactly seem like a guy with a stellar track record.

Rick M. · 04-13-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I thought somebody said on this forum that they had inside knowledge that GG was going to be let go this past Monday?

Maybe “inside knowledge” meant someone in jail.

Scroopy Noopers · 04-13-2018, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What exactly is the lure of Bill Peters again?....

He isn’t Glen Gulutzan.

Ashasx · 04-13-2018, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What exactly is the lure of Bill Peters again? I haven't really been paying attention, but from far away, he doesn't exactly seem like a guy with a stellar track record.

His teams have excellent possession numbers but seemingly terrible luck. They led the league in CF% this season (2.4% more than any other team which is absolutely ridiculous), but were 30th in PDO.

It's actually very similar to the Flames this season, but to a greater extreme.

Table 5 · 04-13-2018, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He isn’t Glen Gulutzan.

Sold!

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

His team's have excellent possession numbers but seemingly terrible luck. They led the league in CF% this season, but were 30th in PDO.

Ah great, going down this road again....magic math over actual results.

EldrickOnIce · 04-13-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He isn’t Glen Gulutzan.

No. He's not.
He might be worse?

Monahan For Mayor · 04-13-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What exactly is the lure of Bill Peters again? I haven't really been paying attention, but from far away, he doesn't exactly seem like a guy with a stellar track record.

Yeah I'd like to know as well. Other than winning a WHL championship his teams either don't make the playoffs or don't go deep.

Split98 · 04-13-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Since Bob was fired, 14 NHL coaches have been hired (not counting Calgary). There's a reason he isn't one of them.
Forward, not back. Please.

I'm not suggesting Bob back. I'd love it, TBH, but I know this is a minority opinion. I also know Bob over AV or Darryl would be a poor decision. I just liked Bob.

But Bob had a worse team playing better hockey and was fired after a poor season. 2 years removed from that decision, I don't understand how GG given a longer rope is justified. He has no success, just lots of people saying he's visually a great coach.

Toonage · 04-13-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What exactly is the lure of Bill Peters again? I haven't really been paying attention, but from far away, he doesn't exactly seem like a guy with a stellar track record.

Thats a good question. He's a tactician like Gulutzan, but a little more surly. On the surface would be a lateral move but maybe help give them an identity? The Hurricanes were regarded as a decent team that couldn't get a save (a year ago he said as much lol). Coached alongside Babcock. He's a media favorite thats for sure.

Right now he checks the "isn't Gulutzan" box which might be enough for a lot of people.

Not my first pick. Not my 2nd either.

Rejean31 · 04-13-2018, 08:28 AM

Stay the hell away from anymore "analytics" coaches. I'm sick of the numbers nerds ruining the game of hockey. it is a goddamn physical game!!! It isn't a mathematics contest!!! At the end of the day all that matters is that you have 1 more goal than the team you are playing. That is the only ####ing number that matters. Screw analytics!!!

Strange Brew · 04-13-2018, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

His teams have excellent possession numbers but seemingly terrible luck. They led the league in CF% this season (2.4% more than any other team which is absolutely ridiculous), but were 30th in PDO.

It's actually very similar to the Flames this season, but to a greater extreme.

Oh boy. I don't know if I can handle another year hearing about bad puck luck.

locsofblu · 04-13-2018, 08:30 AM

Any one else cheering for the Blue Jackets? A First round exit would make Trotz available one would think.